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Sasami2000 · 01-23-2004, 01:41 AM

"The ATA rules for sparring dont' change they are the same from tournament to tournament.You cant punch to the head or back. Of course that isn't real world fighting. But neither is any other TKD. "

I NEVER said the sparring changed in tournaments. Go reread my post if you thougt so. I said that they had created another division for 5-6 black belts because they had so many of them. That's not a lie; it's a fact. From your own magazine as well. (It's for National tournaments, I believe) The sparring part I discussed was how most instructors have their students spar in class. The everyday sparring that I've seen is essentially like point sparring; watered down with so many rules that it's no different than dancing.

"The ATA has great program for kids. The ATA is about personal victory."
I have nothing against K4K or Tiny Tigers, however I don't like how it is run like a business for the purpose of making money instead of teaching martial arts.

" TAEKWONDO is TAEKWONDO I dont care where you go it is the same maybe differen't rules and maybe different instructors will suck or emphasize different aspects of TAEKWONDO but taekwondo is still taekwondo. "

That's true. It's just most ATA instructors are out there for money, and because they want everyone happy and staying; they make it easy to test quickly and water down the rules in sparring so that there is no chance anyone is hurt.

"I signed up for TKD because I like the kicks I guarantee I can make alot of them work in a self defense situation. "

good for you, I'm not doubting you.

" Oh and a black belt in a year it might of happened but the ATA requires atleast 21 classes to test. My instructor requires 30. "

It happens ALL the time; like I said there's an entire school of them where I came from. He even advertises it, and I've seen it for years. He tests them EVERY month. Yes I know the ATA says they have requirements for how many classes you have to have, but it's just bull. They don't care. Believe me, I was a certified trainee instructor. No senior official calls the school owner going "Hey! This John Smith can't pass! He's 2 classes short of the requirement!" They don't care, it just something your instructor says to get you to come to class.

"I would love to see some of these cocky people that believe Muah Thai beats all come down to KY and go a few rounds with some of are black belts."
I'm not a cocky MT person; in fact I argue against them all the time. I'm just not a fan of the ATA's business ethics, per say.

" Our adult black belts are required to have a good understanding of martial arts not just taekwondo. If you can't grapple worth a crap then my instructor isn't going to give you a black belt. If you can't execute the throws and takedowns he teaches you don't move up. Its that simple."

That's good for you and your school, however that is not like most ATA schools.

"In closing I will say the ATA is good at what it does. Not many organizations can boast 30 yrs of service or the numbers we have."

The ATA only has so many people because they run an effective business.

01-23-2004, 01:41 AM	#18 (permalink)
Sasami2000 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Idaho Posts: 46	"The ATA rules for sparring dont' change they are the same from tournament to tournament.You cant punch to the head or back. Of course that isn't real world fighting. But neither is any other TKD. " I NEVER said the sparring changed in tournaments. Go reread my post if you thougt so. I said that they had created another division for 5-6 black belts because they had so many of them. That's not a lie; it's a fact. From your own magazine as well. (It's for National tournaments, I believe) The sparring part I discussed was how most instructors have their students spar in class. The everyday sparring that I've seen is essentially like point sparring; watered down with so many rules that it's no different than dancing. "The ATA has great program for kids. The ATA is about personal victory." I have nothing against K4K or Tiny Tigers, however I don't like how it is run like a business for the purpose of making money instead of teaching martial arts. " TAEKWONDO is TAEKWONDO I dont care where you go it is the same maybe differen't rules and maybe different instructors will suck or emphasize different aspects of TAEKWONDO but taekwondo is still taekwondo. " That's true. It's just most ATA instructors are out there for money, and because they want everyone happy and staying; they make it easy to test quickly and water down the rules in sparring so that there is no chance anyone is hurt. "I signed up for TKD because I like the kicks I guarantee I can make alot of them work in a self defense situation. " good for you, I'm not doubting you. " Oh and a black belt in a year it might of happened but the ATA requires atleast 21 classes to test. My instructor requires 30. " It happens ALL the time; like I said there's an entire school of them where I came from. He even advertises it, and I've seen it for years. He tests them EVERY month. Yes I know the ATA says they have requirements for how many classes you have to have, but it's just bull. They don't care. Believe me, I was a certified trainee instructor. No senior official calls the school owner going "Hey! This John Smith can't pass! He's 2 classes short of the requirement!" They don't care, it just something your instructor says to get you to come to class. "I would love to see some of these cocky people that believe Muah Thai beats all come down to KY and go a few rounds with some of are black belts." I'm not a cocky MT person; in fact I argue against them all the time. I'm just not a fan of the ATA's business ethics, per say. " Our adult black belts are required to have a good understanding of martial arts not just taekwondo. If you can't grapple worth a crap then my instructor isn't going to give you a black belt. If you can't execute the throws and takedowns he teaches you don't move up. Its that simple." That's good for you and your school, however that is not like most ATA schools. "In closing I will say the ATA is good at what it does. Not many organizations can boast 30 yrs of service or the numbers we have." The ATA only has so many people because they run an effective business. __________________ The sword wielding family that slays together, stays together.