I dunno everytime I go to smokers I see Ercivan's fighters sweeping the ring with the Traditional Muay Thai fighters from say like Fairtex. That is why the Dutch or French are good in Muay Thai: they actually box. But you know Ercivan doesn't speak Thai so us Americans are easily impressed by any Thai trainer who claims he once was a Lumpinee champion. Challenge Ercivan or his fighters and lets see what happens? I think they know enough "European kickboxing" at
www.amsterdamgym.com to give any Muay Thai fighter a run for their money!