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From: Opash
Date: 04/29/04 08:49 PM
So what are the punches then?
Secret military ice fighting or rare forms of European boxing?
Either way they are very unique.
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From: striker18
Date: 04/29/04 09:04 PM
Posted by Sambosteve
It isn't really rare, just about anyone who learned to box in a communist or former communist nation will punch like that. However, most people haven't trained with someone like that, so it seems rare to us.
I have seen both of the Klitchko brothers throwing long hooks in boxing, though they generally sneak it in during combos and do it so fast most people wouldn't know what it was unless they were looking for it. Another MMA example besides Fedor would be Arlovski. Watch Arlovski a little bit closer next time, you will see he throws both long hooks and uppercuts.
I actually talked with Kirik about this very subject a couple years ago and tried to explain the mechanics of a long hook.
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Posted bu Sambosteve
Arlovski throws long hooks and uppercuts, but his are a little bit tighter than Fedor's. The taller and lankier type fighters such as the Klitchkos throw long hooks, but they don't tend to loop them quite as much as the stockier framed fighters do. Watch Arlovski's fights with Vladdy and Cabbage again and you will see what I am talking about.
Opash,
They probably call it Russian punching because of the heavy influence the Soviet Union had on all of the other communist nations when it came to their amateur boxing programs. The Hungarian immigrant who coached me would always just call them long hooks and long uppercuts. I think it is typically Americans who refer to it as European style.
What is interesting is American boxers used to throw long hooks and uppercuts as well, but somehow that got lost here. Take a look at some Izzard Charles, Jerzey Joe Walcott, or Archie Moore footage and you'll see long hooks and uppercuts being thrown with great success.
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From: Elitevibe
Date: 04/29/04 11:07 PM
"What is interesting is American boxers used to throw long hooks and uppercuts as well, but somehow that got lost here. Take a look at some Izzard Charles, Jerzey Joe Walcott, or Archie Moore footage and you'll see long hooks and uppercuts being thrown with great success. "
That is very true Striker18. In can remember tape of Jersey Joe throwing it now that you mentioned it.
Watch the epic Jersey Joe vs R.Marciano for examples of this, interesting thing is that Marciano throughout that fight was throwing the short crisp hook and eventually caught Jersy Joe with one and kod him with it, so that's one example where the short hook was very effective, but that's also boxing, not MMA.
You know another observation, with the "classic american" or what could be called the conventional hooks, a fighter has to come closer to his opponent and therefore in a way is a target coming in, this is dangerous if your opponent beats you to the punch and lands his shot as you're stepping in to deliver( the closeness).
For MMA, I've always thought that the conventional hook should always be used in a judicious manner, for one also is in clinch-up distance often with these shorter hooks, so if one does not want to get clinched by a, say Randy Couture , well then one should stick to the distance hooks/russian hooks, unless of course you are comfortable otherwise or are a wizard with both hands like Vitor Belfort.
Hey I learned something on the UG today, I'll be practicing my Russian hooks soon.
Thanks Striker18, MinotauroLover and all the rest of the guys who helped dissect this technique.
EV
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From: androushka
Date: 04/30/04 04:12 AM
A good detail with twisting a punch that way is that it makes the shoulder come up closer to the chin more naturally, at least for me (small shoulders, long arms). When I trained in Thailand they made me twist all punches in crazy ways, even throw straight punches with the thumb facing straight down. My defence got better. When I throw hooks the tight/american way there tend to be a larger gap between shoulder and chin. Seems to be less of a problem for "bulldog"-built guys though
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From: spinfamous
Date: 04/30/04 05:29 AM
our sambo teacher taught us to use those punches. he had a soviet military background in systema. it's like a hook thrown from the shoulder and pulled back with a whip motion.
if do right no can defend.
NOTE-SPINFAMOUS AND I BOTH TRAINED UNDER ALEXANDER BARAKOV
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