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Originally Posted by holyman Its an extinct system and died a death thousands of years ago. These days con men advertise oh i teach ninjutsu but dont believe then.
The true art has been lost in time. Stephen Hayes and Richard Van donk teach hacked ninjutsu which is just jujutus wearing a black suite |
Stephen Hayes did branch off of the actual ninjutsu system and is off doing his own thing, but right now Shihan van Donk is a 14th dan and officially recognized by Soke Hatsumi, the 34th Grandmaster of Togakure-ryu ninjutsu which was passed down to him by O'Sensei Takamatsu Toshitsugu so he is the real deal. If you've seen the guy in action I wouldn't mess with him. And from everything you have said to this point, holyman, I doubt your intellectual capacities far more than any martial arts experience you may believe you have. Until you have actually done the art, you never will really know a thing about it.