I've used them succesfully to attack behind my opponents knee or for self-defense and old school sparring for a kidney shot. It's not something I'd lead with. For me it's an inclose technique and I've never seen the use of throwing one above the kidneys.
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The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.
Damnit... it made sense when it was running through my head.
DM
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