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The ground "debate" is usually JJ people trying to back up the ultimate need for their art.
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Where are all these people now?
I guess they already voted. They must be the 4 people that voted 100%.
The only fights I have seen end on the ground.
2 were in bars.
1.) Once one huge italian dude reached across the bar and pulled the bartender over the bar threw him on the ground and started pummelling him while choking him. Fight was broken up.
2nd) a Navy guy grabbed a man by his kneck and pulled him backwards off his barstool, threw him on the ground and started hitting him while choking him. Fight was broken up.
The third fight I've seen end on the ground was a drunk ran up to a guy and senselessly just started hitting the poor guy. Both went to the ground flailing punches. Then 25-30 of the drunks friends showed up and stomped the other guy into the ground before helping their friend up.
In these fights, the loser was still OK, and able to get home fine.
The rest of the fights are standing up. Last about 10 seconds, and the loser has a broken eye, nose, jaw, bleeding all over, and half unconscious rolling in their blood long after the fight was over. I know a couple people that have permenent vision problems from fighting and have to wear glasses now.
Seems to me the only time the fights went to the ground is when they knew it was going to be broken up. It's like the typical bar as$ole that sucker punches and backs off just long enough for the fight to get broken up. These guys dont take it outside they know what would happen. In these cases, all the groundwork preparation in the world would not prepare you for the 5 seconds you have before the fights broken up.