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Originally Posted by HuSanYan .... In Judo, o sotto-gari (major outer reap) involves the breaking of your opponent's balance to their rear corner and then stepping up to sweep the supporting leg clean out from under them to execute a very fast and powerful throw.
In combat Ju Jutsu the 'throw' is the result of you stepping up and side stomping down onto the outside knee ligaments and collapsing the leg - end result, opponent on the floor and at your mercy. No throw, just the end product of your stomping out his support knee. Brutal but effective. You certainly do not need the precision skill of timing, balance breaking and footwork of Judo but then again the technique was devised for battlefield combat, you didn't get to much time to be subtle!
Seio-nage (shoulder throw) in combat Ju Jutsu is done with the attacker's elbow levered anti joint wise over your shoulder with the sole aim of breaking the joint, not to tip him over your back. If the attacker 'went over' it was to prevent the joint breaking, in fact 'throwing' himself to the floor. All the 'throws' were end products of breaking a limb or twisting or wrenching a neck or spine.
Clean throws as in Judo did not exist. ......
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hope this is of some interest to the board
regards to you all
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Interesting perspective but it's still all Judo to me.
I see the difference as you describe between modern sport judo (Olympic) and "old school" Kodokan Judo. What some call combat judo or Ju-Jitsu.
Kano's book only has a few paragraphs about atemiwaza and vital targets but it was a part of judo at one time to know how to get to your throwing technique from a strike or a kick or to your joint destruction before, during or after your throw... To give way to your attacker and let him unbalance himself is easier than trying to unbalance him by your own force.
Much of this is against the rules of sport judo and is sadly discarded from the curriculum...
Good stuff!