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DragonsWay · 06-03-2005, 06:52 PM

Hi Burton,

Thanks a lot for your reply. You know I was 99% certain you would say the old 'we test it under battle conditions' type response, and you did just that.

So what you are saying is that anything that a student of Jeet Kune Do tests themselves in sparring all out, or in real fights is worth including and becomes part of Jeet Kune Do mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????

So if someone tests a Capoiera type handstand and kick & can pull it off for real, it can be called part of JKD, or a jump spinning back kick from Tae Kwon Do if they can land it nearly everytime for real, then include it?

If that is your reasoning, I'm afraid you shouldn't 'concentrate on the finger' and you've missed 'all the heavenly glory' as Mr Lee would say. One only has to read his writings , to realise that's definitely not what he was about or advocating at all.

As fot Thai rear leg round kick you mentioned, again devastating kick, I'm not putting it down but consider :-

1) Wise to try it at start of a real fight, risk them coming in fast as your leg is going round countering you or knocking you down, or missing completely and getting made to pay for it?
2) Suitable for a woman or elderly person to hit a larger person with on the street?
3) Practical if you miss, spinning right round and turning your back , with the follow through? That is a proper full Thai kick afer all if you miss.

You spar Bill Wallace all out I guarantee he will get at least a few boots to your head or body, Benny Urquidez at least one kick spinning back to your body, but that does not make them Jeet Kune Do nor those techniques worth including in JKD. But by your logic if they can pull out those techniques for real under pressure they are worth including???

As for these sports being real as you put it , they are far from it. UFC you can't roll around in the street for 10 or 20 mins, friends will kick your head in or if in a club bouncers will break you up. Fact is too for real it would rarely near impossible last that long, sooner or later someone would bite, spit, gouge an eye, break something. In UFC too they also have very poor defense against take downs, most are skilled on the ground so don't try too hard or are bothered about being taken there.

Bruce Lee again from his writings, looked more from a how to counter a grappler, rather than roll around playing tag, or exchanging holds.

As for testing a technique scientifically as you put it, fact is anyone can make anything work for real. If you burl your arm around and punch to body (as Sugar Ray Leonard did to Marvin Hagler), practice it hard and try it against different opponents in hard sparring, and can pull it off near every time is it then Jeet Kune Do or worth including??? Your logic seems strange.

06-03-2005, 06:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
DragonsWay Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 32	Hi Burton Hi Burton, Thanks a lot for your reply. You know I was 99% certain you would say the old 'we test it under battle conditions' type response, and you did just that. So what you are saying is that anything that a student of Jeet Kune Do tests themselves in sparring all out, or in real fights is worth including and becomes part of Jeet Kune Do mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????? So if someone tests a Capoiera type handstand and kick & can pull it off for real, it can be called part of JKD, or a jump spinning back kick from Tae Kwon Do if they can land it nearly everytime for real, then include it? If that is your reasoning, I'm afraid you shouldn't 'concentrate on the finger' and you've missed 'all the heavenly glory' as Mr Lee would say. One only has to read his writings , to realise that's definitely not what he was about or advocating at all. As fot Thai rear leg round kick you mentioned, again devastating kick, I'm not putting it down but consider :- 1) Wise to try it at start of a real fight, risk them coming in fast as your leg is going round countering you or knocking you down, or missing completely and getting made to pay for it? 2) Suitable for a woman or elderly person to hit a larger person with on the street? 3) Practical if you miss, spinning right round and turning your back , with the follow through? That is a proper full Thai kick afer all if you miss. You spar Bill Wallace all out I guarantee he will get at least a few boots to your head or body, Benny Urquidez at least one kick spinning back to your body, but that does not make them Jeet Kune Do nor those techniques worth including in JKD. But by your logic if they can pull out those techniques for real under pressure they are worth including??? As for these sports being real as you put it , they are far from it. UFC you can't roll around in the street for 10 or 20 mins, friends will kick your head in or if in a club bouncers will break you up. Fact is too for real it would rarely near impossible last that long, sooner or later someone would bite, spit, gouge an eye, break something. In UFC too they also have very poor defense against take downs, most are skilled on the ground so don't try too hard or are bothered about being taken there. Bruce Lee again from his writings, looked more from a how to counter a grappler, rather than roll around playing tag, or exchanging holds. As for testing a technique scientifically as you put it, fact is anyone can make anything work for real. If you burl your arm around and punch to body (as Sugar Ray Leonard did to Marvin Hagler), practice it hard and try it against different opponents in hard sparring, and can pull it off near every time is it then Jeet Kune Do or worth including??? Your logic seems strange.