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Chad W. Getz · 01-10-2001, 08:19 PM

The bottom line is that a complete fighter/ martial artist/ whatever should be able to perform competently with any rules, or else he's not really a complete fighter. NHB events aren't the way to find out who isthe ultimate warrior death match champion. It is, however, a chance for one to test himself under real situations with real pressure. Here's a post that I wrote on another forum regarding SBG philosophy, which has affected me deeply on how I choose to train myself. I started my "fighting" journey sometime ago when we decided to take our stick training onto the full contact field. Fighting with just fencing mask, it is hard to get participants to come out and train with you, so we ran into the problem of how to train for real functinal stickfighting without having to fight each time. I feel that fighting is necessary to test yourself, the amount of gear you wear is up to you, but if you've never done it with minimal gear (a light mask) or no gear, how could you possibly know what the experience of real energy is? We now incorporate progressive isolated sparring drills that train real energy that will really try to hit the opponent.

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Maybe because the way you train it needs to evolve. I think the point is not that trapping doesn't work, even a parry is a sort of a trap, I think the point is that it isn't trained correctly. People need to train with resistance. Stuart and I started doing full contact stick fighting some time back. The biggest problem that we came up with after was how did we practice??? We knew that the way we had been training was not the most efficent way. When we ran across SBG web site, it made us rethink and after seeing the vids helped us to start training smart. I see alot of guys train a jab, tap, jab, tap, jab, tap. This is a good drill, but even better when you put a mask on and gloves and jab at each other with resistance, timing and the proper energy. Or what develops better sensitivity? Hubud the way so many people do it or clinching with grappling gloves on and a headgear and both guys can do only one punch? Well, they both give you sensitivity, but the clinching against a real punch is going to give you the real sensitivity to not get hit in a real clinch in a real street situation. For us almost every practice involves the use of the mask. Live training prepares you for live encounters. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training against resistance prepares you for training against a resistant opponent. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training against real punches and kicks will prepare you for real punches and kicks. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training to be comfortable against what DOES happen in a fight will help you to be comfortable when you are in a real fight. Matt has helped me to realize that we have to train to deal with what happens in a real fight, which is punching, kicking, closing the gap, clinching, takedowns, and groundfighting. The first thing isn't all about what you can do the other guy, its all about whatthe other guy can do to you. If you can't be comfortable with a guy trying to do all of this to you, let's face it, really, if you can't imagine yourself getting into a real sparring match with a macho headgear and facecage and grappling gloves with UFC or NHB rules against your friend today after work or school, how can you even begin to think or have the confidence to say that your MA training will protect you in a self-defense situation. Especially if you've never been in a real confrontation. Be true and honest to and with yourself.

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BTW, how would you kill someone in an empty hand fight?

01-10-2001, 08:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chad W. Getz Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 509 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	The bottom line is that a complete fighter/ martial artist/ whatever should be able to perform competently with any rules, or else he's not really a complete fighter. NHB events aren't the way to find out who isthe ultimate warrior death match champion. It is, however, a chance for one to test himself under real situations with real pressure. Here's a post that I wrote on another forum regarding SBG philosophy, which has affected me deeply on how I choose to train myself. I started my "fighting" journey sometime ago when we decided to take our stick training onto the full contact field. Fighting with just fencing mask, it is hard to get participants to come out and train with you, so we ran into the problem of how to train for real functinal stickfighting without having to fight each time. I feel that fighting is necessary to test yourself, the amount of gear you wear is up to you, but if you've never done it with minimal gear (a light mask) or no gear, how could you possibly know what the experience of real energy is? We now incorporate progressive isolated sparring drills that train real energy that will really try to hit the opponent. So here is the post: Maybe because the way you train it needs to evolve. I think the point is not that trapping doesn't work, even a parry is a sort of a trap, I think the point is that it isn't trained correctly. People need to train with resistance. Stuart and I started doing full contact stick fighting some time back. The biggest problem that we came up with after was how did we practice??? We knew that the way we had been training was not the most efficent way. When we ran across SBG web site, it made us rethink and after seeing the vids helped us to start training smart. I see alot of guys train a jab, tap, jab, tap, jab, tap. This is a good drill, but even better when you put a mask on and gloves and jab at each other with resistance, timing and the proper energy. Or what develops better sensitivity? Hubud the way so many people do it or clinching with grappling gloves on and a headgear and both guys can do only one punch? Well, they both give you sensitivity, but the clinching against a real punch is going to give you the real sensitivity to not get hit in a real clinch in a real street situation. For us almost every practice involves the use of the mask. Live training prepares you for live encounters. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training against resistance prepares you for training against a resistant opponent. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training against real punches and kicks will prepare you for real punches and kicks. Thats the kind you will find on the street. Training to be comfortable against what DOES happen in a fight will help you to be comfortable when you are in a real fight. Matt has helped me to realize that we have to train to deal with what happens in a real fight, which is punching, kicking, closing the gap, clinching, takedowns, and groundfighting. The first thing isn't all about what you can do the other guy, its all about whatthe other guy can do to you. If you can't be comfortable with a guy trying to do all of this to you, let's face it, really, if you can't imagine yourself getting into a real sparring match with a macho headgear and facecage and grappling gloves with UFC or NHB rules against your friend today after work or school, how can you even begin to think or have the confidence to say that your MA training will protect you in a self-defense situation. Especially if you've never been in a real confrontation. Be true and honest to and with yourself. END POST. BTW, how would you kill someone in an empty hand fight? __________________ Chad W. Getz Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. The weapon arts imply the they can stop the unarmed man. A complete martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere.