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Definition of Philosophy:

From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/philosophy
1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
8. A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.


ART
From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/art

1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
2.
a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
b. The study of these activities.
c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
4. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
5. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
6.
a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
7.
a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" Joyce Carol Oates.
8.
a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
b. Artful contrivance; cunning.

SCIENCE
From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/science

1.
a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
c. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.
3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.



I have tried to enforce this idea for a long time and finally I have found of group of people that think the same way! The word Arts have been debated buy a group of philosophers that I use to know and they tell me that it is basically the same meaning.

Arts is often mistaken as ONLY as asthetics which are 2 different things compared to philosophy and thus a has such connotation.Art's true meaning is in philosophy.

Art is therefore an innovation or concept 'science' which one has to think and investigate whether it be knowledge or logic.

In martial arts, we learn whatever we are taught, why we do things in a particular way and then we go out and investigate the idea of it.
This is not science however as there is no hypothesis and a solution at the end, just a contious evolution of ideas in our mind and body.

You are not wrong when you say that these guys are philosophers as they already are philosophers, just martial ones.Even the greatest philosophers (ie Aristotle) was a formidable martial artist.

Perhaps we should change the name from Martial Arts to Martial Philosophy to avoid future confusion. I am a student of MP!

Is it by training, you just answered your own question!

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