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danfaggella · 12-12-2005, 01:41 PM

I think it really is how you train. Also, keeping an open mind and not fitting into the pidgeon hole created 2000 years ago is nice as well, martial artists have to adapt and use what works when it works.

In my oppinion, the "traditional" MAs are the ones where you do kata/forms and learn how to gouge eyes/kick nuts/remove tendons/defend yourself. In sportive modern MAs you spar with gloves and submission grapple. Surely dirty self-defence moves cant be integrated well into such training, but most sportive places dont even get into such things, which to me is a shame to those who want to be martial artist and may not only want to be in sub grappling or mma competition. however, the way the modern MA people learn and train seems more fun and logical then learning how to perform a perfect kata. I think traditional training is not practical. I am currently learning BJJ/MT and Kung Fu. Bothj places train totally differently.

in my MODERN "sportive" MA place, we learn a new move or 2 or 3 or 4, then we practice it on the mat, then we submission grapple. Then we jump some rope and get into Muay Thai, where we learn to kick propperly on a bag or pad with a partner and sometimes to some pad/shield work, like combos and stuff, learning how to kick propperly.

in my TRADITIONAL "self-defence" MA place, we open up with 18 traditional exercises, then we do 5 beasts at play (i dont know all of 5 beast yet....). Then, we learn about a move and relate it to a form or a few forms. We drill that technique (IE: guy punches with a right cross, such-and-such a block, such-and-such a step, such-and-such an attack/trip, we mix it up and see different things that can be done with the better possition attained with the move, and we just mess aroudn with it making sure our blocks are right and our footwork is perfect. Then the guys spar. They have no padding or mouthpieces or anything, they just go at it. Mind you this is outside all year so its usually muddy or snow out, but there is grass as well, it changes every week. They do techniques hard enough to work and feel effect but not enough to seriosuly hamr anyone. People always get bloody but nobody ends up going to the hospital. Its much different form kickboxing because there are a lot of trips and hand possitions that are used in many ways, its interesting. I don't know if that kind of sparring is more effective for street preparation then glove/mouthpiece MMA kinda stuff.

12-12-2005, 01:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
danfaggella Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kingston RI Posts: 1,089	I think it really is how you train. Also, keeping an open mind and not fitting into the pidgeon hole created 2000 years ago is nice as well, martial artists have to adapt and use what works when it works. In my oppinion, the "traditional" MAs are the ones where you do kata/forms and learn how to gouge eyes/kick nuts/remove tendons/defend yourself. In sportive modern MAs you spar with gloves and submission grapple. Surely dirty self-defence moves cant be integrated well into such training, but most sportive places dont even get into such things, which to me is a shame to those who want to be martial artist and may not only want to be in sub grappling or mma competition. however, the way the modern MA people learn and train seems more fun and logical then learning how to perform a perfect kata. I think traditional training is not practical. I am currently learning BJJ/MT and Kung Fu. Bothj places train totally differently. in my MODERN "sportive" MA place, we learn a new move or 2 or 3 or 4, then we practice it on the mat, then we submission grapple. Then we jump some rope and get into Muay Thai, where we learn to kick propperly on a bag or pad with a partner and sometimes to some pad/shield work, like combos and stuff, learning how to kick propperly. in my TRADITIONAL "self-defence" MA place, we open up with 18 traditional exercises, then we do 5 beasts at play (i dont know all of 5 beast yet....). Then, we learn about a move and relate it to a form or a few forms. We drill that technique (IE: guy punches with a right cross, such-and-such a block, such-and-such a step, such-and-such an attack/trip, we mix it up and see different things that can be done with the better possition attained with the move, and we just mess aroudn with it making sure our blocks are right and our footwork is perfect. Then the guys spar. They have no padding or mouthpieces or anything, they just go at it. Mind you this is outside all year so its usually muddy or snow out, but there is grass as well, it changes every week. They do techniques hard enough to work and feel effect but not enough to seriosuly hamr anyone. People always get bloody but nobody ends up going to the hospital. Its much different form kickboxing because there are a lot of trips and hand possitions that are used in many ways, its interesting. I don't know if that kind of sparring is more effective for street preparation then glove/mouthpiece MMA kinda stuff.