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Originally Posted by EmptyneSs how can u base an entire art with thousands of practitioners all over the world on 1 mma match? arent u doing the same thing those people do when they see tai chi being practiced in the park by old people and think it sucks? they are basing an entire art on what they have seen from a few people. does that make it right for them to discredit the entire art of tai chi? i mean shit, the tai chi i see being practiced in the park has no resemblance to reality fighting, does that mean the entire art of tai chi with all its combat forms and weapons training is useless? this is the conclusion id come to if i was using your logic.
and btw, ring fights dont need to use "reality based" techniques or even reflect them because they arent real life self defense situations and their practitioners know this. i dont think there is any true martial artist in the world who cant tell the difference between competitions and life or death situations. i dont know were u got the rediculous idea that people who partake in "sport arts" are going to adhere to competition rules in a life or death situation. that is asanine.
i havent seen this match, but ive seen this done before in mma. yes, it is an invitation to the opponent to come and grapple. i personally think its lame and boring to watch. yet again, u are basing an entire art on the actions of 1 person. really narrow minded if u ask me.
what do u know about what someone is or isnt capable of? mabye in the street he wouldnt even need to use jiu jitsu because he carries a gun with him. i mean, u never know. u can make all the assumptions u want, but didnt u once say yourself that its assumptions like those that get people killed on the street??
btw, i know u like to generalize entire groups of people with no real basis for your conclusions but i want to say that i may practice "sport arts", but the reason i train in them is for self defense. i train in muay thai and bjj at a mma gym, and i like many others train in these arts in order to attain certain attributes that will help me better defend myself. if u think im gonna adhere to rules when someone is trying to take my life from me or a friend, you are dead wrong. |
Oh you havent watched the fight
...i provided the link...That isnt just ANY bjj guy...its A GRACIE....i never mentioned rules...you did...you still havent answered my question what it was supposed to accomplish in the ring!!....as for your tai chi analogy...If i saw one of the FOUNDING Family members of any system try to pass that shit off as anything to do with fighting i would laugh...just like i did at that crap....but fine you wanna claim he really can fight, he just chose that in the ring because what happened there didnt matter to the legendary undefeated Gracie clans reputation.
and as for the "they fight differently than they train" argument...good luck with that...it seems to me if Royler had anything else to fall back on he would have tried it eh? i mean really if the Gracie art is so awesome why resort to that? No matter how well you can grapple from the ground, if you have no way to get the opponent there but BEGGING him to lie down and fight like a gracie whats the use?
I was flaming you about the street since that moronic butt scoot was clearly going to get you killed ANYWHERE you tried it...it didnt do Royler much good even in the ring where i presume he had developed and practiced that move...
So back to my question what the hell is the point? 75% or more of that fight is royler scooting around on all fours with his ass on the floor flicking ineffective kicks at Sak while Sak pounds the hell out of him for it...i really dont see the benifit or strategy to this..was he hoping Sak broke his foot from kicking him so much?
BTW whats the proper name for that butt scoot technique so i dont have to call it the butt scoot?
As for the gun he might carry...i hope he doesnt try to use it from that butt scoot position.... he might shoot himself in the foot!!