Originally Posted by J-Luck

First off, submissions on the ground... not that it's impossible, but im not sure if you read what I wrote... very difficult. Not to mention pulling guard in the UFC is bad enough and you can get pounded for it, imagine on a hard street that DOES inflict damage as I have said. Trust me, talk is all good untill you're on your back dodging punches and if your elbow even hits the ground with slight force it hurts, and your back is already in pain, and you're working a submission. In this respect, wrestling and Judo are more effective. Takedowns and throws(wrestling has alot of throws too), when done with any power, are fight enders. And say you don't get a powerful takedown/throw, judo does have some groundwork, and wrestling teaches you to stay off your back and put the other guy on his, (and wrestling has heavy emphasis on groundword) which is devastating, since on any hard surface, you would not want to be on your back at all.