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Originally Posted by Tom Yum
Hey man, I'm not trying to use credentials - as I've said before, I'm an amateur at best, love to watch fights and train. I'm just saying from my relatively short experience as an amateur or weekend warrior, training with some good coaches, sparring with different fighters - I think a great boxer is someone who can actually earn a spot in the pros. We can agree to disagree on the semantics of the adjective great.
I'm not trying to win the argument; I'll give it to you - you win. Golden Gloves boxers are a dime a dozen  and great boxers are the ones who occupy the top 10 in the pro-ranks.
I just assumed that maybe you were a trainer or up & coming fighter?? I respect your opinion.
I'm here to learn too and I was hoping maybe you could add something about a fight you were a corner-man in, a fighter you trained, tactics you pull off in sparring or even a drill that upped your game.
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Our conversation has taken a turn. It seems that now it has become about defining the term "great", and not about who's skills belong in the category. We can use many terms. Great. Proficient. Upper level. Degree of mastery. But I'd prefer to look at it like this: If you were to take either of the men into a boxing gym where serious dedicated boxers trained, this argument wouldn't even be necessary. It would be obvious.
People here have no idea how easy it is to get a pro card. Many people come right out of jail, train hard, get a pro card, knock a couple of opponents out, to pad their record, and never get anywhere. Getting a pro card isn't like spending years to master anything. Anyone can get one, but not everyone can make a career out of what they do. While you'd like to suggest that I'd have to be a trainer to know these things, I'd like to suggest that you have never been around the game if you didn't know this little piece common knowledge. You act as if having a pro card makes you a great boxer.
My lawyer Marty Garfield, who happens to be a fight promoter, has many guys who are pros. And he'll be the first to tell you that having a pro means nothing if the guy just shows up to collect a check. Some boxers know tey aren't good enough to be players with the real deals, so they are content just showing up, getting beat down, and collecting their checks.
The minute that you began arguing that Frye was a great boxer I knew not to expect much from the debate. But I guess its given you some measure of satisfaction to assume what I do and don't know. Maybe we have different ideas about what skills are. I guess maybe the "kind" of people I'm around are different than the "kind" of people your around, and therefore you see boxing through TOTALLY different eyes. I suspect that I've just figured out why two people can see two different things. I'm thinking now that the people you train with probably share your ideas about boxing, and that's probably why those kinds of people don't excel at it.
It makes a lot of sense.