I know a ton of BJJ and sub guys who wear the head gear because they don't want cauliflower ear.
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Originally Posted by Motion
What advantages have you observed that wrestlers have had in comparison to BJJ stylist?
Before wrestlers became skilled with submissions,we all knew that the BJJ stylist had the advantages of submissions skills over wrestlers. But are their areas where you've seen wrestling skills to be more useful even today?
When I say wrestling I'am referring to the various styles in general.
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Its been said a couple of times but in general conditioning and explosiveness are more of a part of the average wrestlers repetoire than the average BJJ guys; however, there are more similarities than differences. Many of the differences arise due to competitive rules (like having to wear a singlet VS a GI) and not on the actual athletic requirements. Both need low level(as in on the ground) balance and agility.
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Originally Posted by bigboywasim
In a pure grappling match the BJJ guy would rip the wrestler apart.
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As always, in these style VS style discussions, it comes down to the athletes involved not the sports/disciplines they follow. We have a couple of world class wrestlers that either train out of our gym or show up for the Saturday open mat and I would put them up against the majority of the BJJ guys on the planet. One of them, Brandon Ruiz, has been training for the last few years in Greco at the US Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, CO. and he's moving back here to Utah to start the wrestling program at the gym here. The other is Dave Anderton . . . most of you probably don't know who Dave is but you should know one of his more famous opponents . .. Brock Lesnar. Brock was pinned by only one person during his collegiate career . . . and that "one person" was Dave Anderton. Both guys are absolute beasts, damn near cromagnum like gorilla creatures. And I don't care what color your BJJ belt is, these guys will make you work and in the VAST majority of cases they might not pull off a pretty looking armbar but they will rip your arm out of your shoulder and hand it back to you, after the match, with the humble attitude that is indicative of top-level athletes in almost every sport.
Brandon has won the PAncrase Submission Wrestling Championships two times in a row and he was the ADCC North American Qualifier Heavyweight division runner-up last year (without ever having the time to train for it). They are both world-class wrestlers and even if you name the rules they'll still beat the sh*t out of most BJJ guys . . . and by the way, I'm a BJJ guy.
We hosted Rigan MAchado for a seminar about 3 months ago and the one thing he said that has really stuck in my head went something like "Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Sambo, sub-grappling, wrestling . . . what does it matter? Its all grappling, its all good, it will all improve your game . . . and why wouldn't you want to improve your game?" In other words, train in everything you can.
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Originally Posted by jubaji
Plus, wrestlers are much cooler!
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Great athletes are almost always cool. I've sat in Betos (a local 24-hour mexican place) eating Carne Asada at 2am with world champions just bullsh*tting about their favorite video games, and inconsequential crap that guys tend to blabber about, and I've had local nobodies who think they're hot sh*t because they fight in the local MMA show (which is televised) brush me off like I have no business even being in the room with them. Assholes are assholes, wrestling won't improve their personalities and neither will BJJ. But in general, great athletes are the "big dogs" and they don't feel the need to make alot of noise.