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Originally Posted by Uke
Bullshit.
You could go out and learn more about combat by attending the Dog Brother's open tournaments a few times than you could doing MMA for years. But guess what? Most MMA guys won't do it because it actually takes SKILL that takes time to acquire and not just toughness and professional athlete level conditioning to win.
This is a great point because most people who want to learn how to protect themselves won't be in the shape that a professional athlete is in. But they CAN still be effective if they use the most efficient methods and don't waste energy wrestling with a guy who might be twice their size. Proof that MMA isn't an efficient method is that it doesn't work once you're fighting someone significantly bigger than you.
If a guy who is 150lbs fights a guy who is 225lbs using MMA, he's going to get into trouble. He can get lucky and I STRESS luck, but the odds are against him. He'd be basically kickboxing the bigger guy, as those are the skills that MMA push for in their fighters. Once the bigger guy landed one solid shot the smaller guy would not only be hurt, but even if he wasn't he'd be hesitant to continue fighting.
And by the way J-Luck, I'm not underestimating anyone or anything. Whatever MMA fighters do, there's a traditional martial artist that does it better. Put an MMA fighter in a kickboxing event and they get knocked out. Put them in a grappling tournament and they get tapped or choked out. Put them in the boxing ring and they'll catch a terrible beating.
So where is it that I'm underestimating something, J-Luck?
The army has adopted everything as some point or another. Boxing. Kickboxing. Kung fu. Karate. Judo. Jujitsu. Ninjitsu for stealth methods. Wrestling. So don't go on about MMA being special because the army took a stab at it. People train in MMA to be competitive, not to learn to survive. And by the way, every newaza technique you see isn't BJJ. Newaza was jujitsu way before the Brazilians knew what jujitsu was.
And there probably won't be boxing champs for decades. Not only because of the money, but because boxers, unlike MMA fighters, know who they are. They don't pretend to be something that they're not. They know that just because they can throw a decent kick doesn't make them a thai boxer. They know that just because they can fall backwards with someone in their guard doesn't make them a BJJ player. They know who they are and master their craft, something MMA fighters never seem to do. Jack of all trades but master of none.
A cougar can paint all the stripes he wants on himself, but he'll never be a tiger.
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Your first point is just your opinion... and only a sub-par opinion at that. MMA is the sport version of Jeet Kun Do(though it has never been marketed that way, and didn't start off that way). How is taking the most effective aspects, strategies, and techniques of different arts innefective?? It takes a great deal of skill. You must have me mistaken for the kind of MMA guy who strictly goes to an MMA gym. I plan on going to an MMA gym(not currently a member) to bring it all together... but currently I wrestle, practice BJJ, boxing, and am hoping to start kickboxing. These are all seperate endeavors... and that, in my opinion, is how MMA SHOULD be done. It has nothing to do with luck, and everything to do with skill, technique, conditioning, and strategy.
I already stated that there are plenty of elite in MMA. You can't see that, then you need to take your bias clouded goggles off. 0.
The army never adopted those. You are wrong. They adopted elements FROM them. Trained with their instructors. Never adopted them. This is official now. Bjj on the ground and stand up. Also MMA elements.
BJJ guys took the judo principle(randori for non-dangerous techniques) and ran with it. Judo turned it into far more a sport than a martial art. Bjj brought back all of the locks not allowed or trained in Judo, and took the newaza to a whole new level.
Lol again wrong. They don't join becuase of the reason I stated. Not because of your idiot antics.
I would name all of the successful outside of MMA guys there are, but I dont have enough time, nor space. So, since you are so immeasurably wrong and misguided, give me one weight class, in the UFC, and I will give you 5 guys who are majorly successful outside of MMA in a fighting art.
You must learn to become a critical thinker, employing logic, and always asking, "why?" Rhetoric only gets you so far.