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Originally Posted by Uke
Tom, we've had this debate before. MMA are not proficient at any one range. And your point about who would win between MMA or boxing/K-1 in an alley is meaningless here. K-1 fighters and boxers are aware that they're training for sports. MMA fighters are the only ones who seem to be indifferent about that.
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I think you are referring to guys who've never trained outside of MMA.
MMA is a sport and is sufficient for self-defense in a lot of cases. Look if someone gets me in a headlock and I sweep them to the ground and lapel choke them, that's much more humane (and more legally justifiable use of force) than other release maneuvers. If you're life really is threatened, I can see where you want the later.
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Originally Posted by Uke
So it makes sense that you'd highlight a boxer like Briggs to strengthen your argument. Briggs is also a part time model and actor. Maybe he can add that to his crosstraining resume too. And don't make me look for the film where Rijker gets immediate knocked out by a kickboxer when she ventures out of women's boxing. Please..
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The facts still remain.
Briggs KO'd an MMA fighter in the first round, decided that he'd rather not fight in K-1 because he can't handle leg kicks. He still had to use his skills in a real confrontation against two athletic monsters who would have otherwise stomped him into the ground.
You can make fun of his modeling/acting and cross-training but the facts speak for themselves.
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Originally Posted by Uke
Karate, kung fu, savate, and most other arts have kicked and punched before MMA existed. Those arts have been well rounded before you or I existed. So its a bit silly to begin pretending that the well roundness of kicking, punching and other striking began with MMA events. The roundness term comes from the fact that MMA threw submission wrestling into the mix. NOT A THING ELSE..
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The reason why karate, kung-fu and savate lost its popularity in the US is because they became less and less full-contact and more and more excercise;
other traditional martial arts like muaythai, kyokushin and jiujitsu (both traditional and brazillian) never lost their full-contact, spontaneous flavor.
The instructor still has to pay bills and if he can't give customers what they want, he'll have to close his school. Apparently, many who train in MA want easy training and are happy to shell out the $$$$ to get the next rank, shed a few pounds and learn about another culture.
The MMA movement has taken the students that tried out these kinds of schools and could not get dynamic, live-training.
I have trained with Korean/Japanese/Chinese stylists who were the real deal, so I know those systems can be effective. I've never doubted them, because I have seen them use their stuff - but its the fact that these men (MA instructors) had to water down their training to keep their business running and reduce injuries in their dojang or guan.
I'm not an MMA nuthugger, but I'm not arguing opinions here.
Briggs still KO'd an MMA fighter in the first round (as a boxer) but retired because he can't handle leg kicks. He cross trained and later got into an altercation which he got out of, because of his cross-training and had to pay fines for hurting two superior athletes whom would have otherwise stomped him.
This is how being well-rounded is a benefit.
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Originally Posted by Uke
But thanks for stopping by, Tom. Always great to see you.
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My pleasure.