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Aikia · 01-04-2007, 06:04 PM

I told Dr. Beasley that i had posted his last remarks and he offerred this information:

"Ian, I have a student that is very active on forums so I read the Bax forum often. Recently Tim Tacket and Del Pollard wrote that Dan Inosanto created the "concepts" approach in the mid 1970's. Apparently Del, Kris Kent, Cass Magna and others were with him when he came up with the word as a way to teach principles from other arts that he felt were similar to the principles he learned in jeet kune do.
It seems like they were saying that as long as you achieve your goal or destination then it matters not what road you take to get there. If kali teaches sensitivity and jeet kune do teaches sensitivity it doesn't matter which art you practice to learn sensitivity. If you want to learn a good kick then Thai boxing may be a good method. If you adopt this concept then it seems natural that any art may be used to get results. And at some point it becomes standard to investigate many arts to experience principles that are similar to the principles found in jeet kune do.
The "concepts" and the "concepts method" are not jeet kune do. Rather, the concepts method was designed by Dan Inosanto as a way to identify principles that are, in his experience, similar to those found in jeet kune do.
The Dan Inosanto concepts method may well be an improvement over Bruce Lee's jeet kune do. That's has never been my question. I could tell that the concepts I studied under Dan were not the same as the jeet kune do I learned from Joe Lewis/Ted Wong. Two different animals. For one thing the core principle in "concepts" appeared to be "if the technique does not work then change the technique". If that is your approach then it helps to have a lot of arts to choose from.
In the jeet kune do I was taught (Lewis)that if the technique does not work change the delivery. I was told ( by concepts instructors)that jeet kune do was not a style. But it was (is) a style. Joe Lewis has told me that Bruce Lee was very meticulus in his teaching. Bruce required that the hand was placed just so, the elbow was exactly here etc. Jeet kune do, under Bruce Lee was a style (1967-1969), until he closed his schools in Jan 1970 and disbanned the teaching of jeet kune do.
The OJKD versus the JKDC controversy was nothing more than a state of confusion. There is no JKDC. What we call JKDC actually refers to the concepts that Dan developed so he could teach principles he had learned in jeet kune do through other arts. JKDC has been mislabeled as "jeet kune do" when in fact jeet kune do ( also being called Jun Fan/Janfan arts/Jun fam gung Fu etc) is simply one of the arts/styles that are used in the Dan Inosanto concepts method.
Wow! Pretty hard to swallow but it is apparently true. People who have read my articles know I went to extremes trying to tie Bruce Lee into the concepts method. I was wrong. No wonder when I wrote about OJKD members of the Inosanto organization would say " you mean Jun Fan gung Fu don't you"? Because Jun Fan is of course the term they use to designate jeet kune do. There is no OJKD. There is only jeet kune do. There is no JKDC there is only the Dan Inosanto concepts that have been mislabeled all these years...by writers like me.
In saying this understand that I am making no value judgements. In no way can it be said I consider the Dan Inosanto concepts equal to, or less than or greater than Bruce Lee's jeet kune do. Jeet kune do is jeet kune do and nothing more. JKD is not a concept it's an art. It's time we identified Dan Inosanto as the genius who gave us the DI Concepts method. The DICM (Dan Inosanto Concepts Method) is the forunner of MMA much more so than jeet kune do. It's a shame that some will say that that's an insult to Dan to say JKDC is not jeet kune do. I think you will agree. Dan Inosanto is a master of masters. He doesn't need to lean on Bruce Lee anymore. Dan can look around at the Inosanto academies worldwide and say "This is what I have built".
Only the very insecure are going to cling to the idea that Bruce Lee developed the concepts method and Dan was designated to spread the concepts of jeet kune do. Even in the late 1970's Dan designated others (Tim Tacket/Larry hartsell etc) as teachers of jeet kune do while Dan taught the arts that sharred principles that were similar "in concept" to jeet kune do. "

Thanks Dr.B. for your input.
Ian

01-04-2007, 06:04 PM	#44 (permalink)
Aikia Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	More JKD I told Dr. Beasley that i had posted his last remarks and he offerred this information: "Ian, I have a student that is very active on forums so I read the Bax forum often. Recently Tim Tacket and Del Pollard wrote that Dan Inosanto created the "concepts" approach in the mid 1970's. Apparently Del, Kris Kent, Cass Magna and others were with him when he came up with the word as a way to teach principles from other arts that he felt were similar to the principles he learned in jeet kune do. It seems like they were saying that as long as you achieve your goal or destination then it matters not what road you take to get there. If kali teaches sensitivity and jeet kune do teaches sensitivity it doesn't matter which art you practice to learn sensitivity. If you want to learn a good kick then Thai boxing may be a good method. If you adopt this concept then it seems natural that any art may be used to get results. And at some point it becomes standard to investigate many arts to experience principles that are similar to the principles found in jeet kune do. The "concepts" and the "concepts method" are not jeet kune do. Rather, the concepts method was designed by Dan Inosanto as a way to identify principles that are, in his experience, similar to those found in jeet kune do. The Dan Inosanto concepts method may well be an improvement over Bruce Lee's jeet kune do. That's has never been my question. I could tell that the concepts I studied under Dan were not the same as the jeet kune do I learned from Joe Lewis/Ted Wong. Two different animals. For one thing the core principle in "concepts" appeared to be "if the technique does not work then change the technique". If that is your approach then it helps to have a lot of arts to choose from. In the jeet kune do I was taught (Lewis)that if the technique does not work change the delivery. I was told ( by concepts instructors)that jeet kune do was not a style. But it was (is) a style. Joe Lewis has told me that Bruce Lee was very meticulus in his teaching. Bruce required that the hand was placed just so, the elbow was exactly here etc. Jeet kune do, under Bruce Lee was a style (1967-1969), until he closed his schools in Jan 1970 and disbanned the teaching of jeet kune do. The OJKD versus the JKDC controversy was nothing more than a state of confusion. There is no JKDC. What we call JKDC actually refers to the concepts that Dan developed so he could teach principles he had learned in jeet kune do through other arts. JKDC has been mislabeled as "jeet kune do" when in fact jeet kune do ( also being called Jun Fan/Janfan arts/Jun fam gung Fu etc) is simply one of the arts/styles that are used in the Dan Inosanto concepts method. Wow! Pretty hard to swallow but it is apparently true. People who have read my articles know I went to extremes trying to tie Bruce Lee into the concepts method. I was wrong. No wonder when I wrote about OJKD members of the Inosanto organization would say " you mean Jun Fan gung Fu don't you"? Because Jun Fan is of course the term they use to designate jeet kune do. There is no OJKD. There is only jeet kune do. There is no JKDC there is only the Dan Inosanto concepts that have been mislabeled all these years...by writers like me. In saying this understand that I am making no value judgements. In no way can it be said I consider the Dan Inosanto concepts equal to, or less than or greater than Bruce Lee's jeet kune do. Jeet kune do is jeet kune do and nothing more. JKD is not a concept it's an art. It's time we identified Dan Inosanto as the genius who gave us the DI Concepts method. The DICM (Dan Inosanto Concepts Method) is the forunner of MMA much more so than jeet kune do. It's a shame that some will say that that's an insult to Dan to say JKDC is not jeet kune do. I think you will agree. Dan Inosanto is a master of masters. He doesn't need to lean on Bruce Lee anymore. Dan can look around at the Inosanto academies worldwide and say "This is what I have built". Only the very insecure are going to cling to the idea that Bruce Lee developed the concepts method and Dan was designated to spread the concepts of jeet kune do. Even in the late 1970's Dan designated others (Tim Tacket/Larry hartsell etc) as teachers of jeet kune do while Dan taught the arts that sharred principles that were similar "in concept" to jeet kune do. " Thanks Dr.B. for your input. Ian