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Originally Posted by The_Judo_Jibboo
Yes, there are plenty of changes since the beginning that were detrimental as far as realism goes, mostly due in one way or another to making it more "palatable" in general. I have to say that the weight class thing could be argued either way though, putting two guys in a ring with all other things being relatively equal, that highlights the style's attributes. If a 300 pound bjjer fell on top of a boxer and smothered him, that wouldn't really discredit boxing as a preparation for confrontation.
So my disagreement would be that some possitive things have come out of it too  ! As the Gracies are so fond of chanting, it proved that your game is not complete if you have not prepared in one way or another for a grappler. As a result fighters have become more aware of threats from outside their own styles. I find that particularly important because i see it as one of the major pitfalls of the martial arts that typically you only get to fight people who have been trained to react the same way you have.
Fighters cross-train and have a much bigger box of tools at their disposal during a fight.
Yeesh, i dunno, the differences seem so significant i guess i wasn't prepared to answer this question  In general the fighters are smarter, more well rounded, and more dynamic, beyond that i'll have to get back to you. |
You've got to be kidding, right? Either there is some humor that I'm missing or maybe you're not understanding my point, which would surprise me. If you must be relatively the same size as the man you're fighting to be effective, then what you're learning is predicated upon fixed and fabricated environments. Period. If a 120lbs man couldn't defeat a 220lbs man using "system A" no matter how long and hard he trained, then "system A" isn't meant for combat. Its meant for competition where the 120lbs man can be successful fighting other 120lbs men.
Creating weight classes in events that are supposed to simulate reality sends the message that you'll always be fighting someone your size in the street. Let's see how some of the best little guys do against some of the best big guys.
Creating a breed of professional athletes also lends a bullshit factor when you speak in terms of how effective a system would be for street defense. They're professional athletes!!! If you see a pro Muay Thai fighter fight a amateur karate studio student, it would be a lot like Pro's vs Joes. These men don't have to know a whole lot to beat the average man because their conditioning is so superior to the average man that they could simply wrestle an unarmed guy for 3 minutes with
no submissions and the average man guy would probably pass out from sheer exhaustion.
So when you see a pro fighter using kickboxing or BJJ, you're seeing it at its highest level. You're not going to look like what you're watching. Your students aren't going to perform like what they've been led to believe you're teaching. If average people go out and street fight with MT or BJJ they'll look a lot more like Roland Payne and Christophe Leninger than Ernesto Hoost and Rigan Machado.
Yes, learning BJJ does plug the hole in your game if you know no newaza. I agree. It was an overlooked aspect of street fighting mostly due to the good sense of those who aren't afraid to wrestle but are afraid to be stabbed. A hole nonetheless though.
As far a crosstraining goes, I'll PM you.
Great talking to you, Judo Jibboo.