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Originally Posted by Troll Virus
If I want to read what's wrong about it all, then that's been done to death.
So give us all a short cut.
Share the benefits of your training and spare us all the bleatiing about 'time wasted' etc.
See the internet is/can be a resource.
It's incredibly frustrating to go looking for information and find the least knowledgeable people are the ones making the majority of the posts.
So far this is just like another 'Got my ass kicked despite my TKD Black Belt, now I'm born again MMA, teenage angst' kind of thread.
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I think it's pretty clear from the way I made my argument that I'm not just mindlessly bashing kung fu; I have identified why the style is inadequate clearly and concisely without making any jokes about it. If these ideas have been "done to death" than the reason is that my experience is very common among kung fu practitioners. Sure, people should respect the opinions of others but there's a point where the facts are facts whether you like it or not. I'm not going to bend over backwards to put a positive face on something just because it's someone's sacred cow. The cold hard fact is that if your goal is to learn how to fight this style is inherently inferior.
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I'm looking for quality of information, consideration of thought and people who know their subject matter.
If every discussion is deliberately broken down the way they have previously been on the CMA section here, then defend.net would be as well not having one at all.
Maybe just replace it with a section called "Thai Bri says it's shit, so it must be!"
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That's the thing, TB isn't saying "this is shit because I said so" he's saying it's shit and then provides very strong, logical reasons why it is in fact shit. I hope someone who's wants to learn to fight comes and reads this thread, and hopefully they'll choose something more effective as a result. We'd be better off not having a CMA forum than to pretend that there isn't a lot of nonsense in them. It isn't trolling to point out a bad idea when you see one.
You asked me what the positive aspects are; well, I learned the basics of kicking and punching and how to hit a heavy bag, and to some degree I was able to start setting up take downs with strikes. I could have learned these things much more quickly in another school, but I did walk away with some real knowledge. Most of the esoteric techniques (in other words that can't be found in most other popular systems) that I think are still useful in kung fu are what I would consider diry tricks, or gimmicks. You might just be able to get an advantage by hitting your opponent with the back of your wrist (this is a crane technique) and it's worth while to be aware the you can do it, but that's the sort of thing that's only good in very specific situations. It's a low percentage move but it might just come in handy some day. There are also some locks and take downs in chin na that are valid even if they are mixed in with a lot of things that only work in demonstrations. However, these little nuggets of usefulness are not valuable enough to justify the amount of time you have to waste on poor training practices to learn them.