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Originally Posted by Sagacious Lu
This is a cop out, it's just a way to glibly side step the fact that a lot of styles teach things that are irrelevant.
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It's not a cop out, it's a fact (if you have only one goal).
It's a fact (if you have only one goal) not contained to CMA
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Kung fu forms don't do anything to teach you how to fight, yet they are a required part of the curriculum.
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Who said they were to teach you how to fight?
You need a bit of historical background here.
What's the earliest footage of CMA forms you can find on youtube?
1930's if you're lucky?
What historical data, or explanation of those forms can you find online, anywhere?
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It was like being in a math class that required the students to spend half the class verbally counting to 1,000 every day before they ever worked an actual math problem; it's just not a productive way to spend your time.
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To teach you 'how to fight?'
'Fighting' is all too easy to get experience of
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During the time that kung fu guys practice forms and choreography boxers practice punching. As a result the kung fu guy gets good at choreographed moves and boxers get good at punching. One of these skill sets can be used in a fight while the other cannot, thus if one is trying to learn to fight one is undeniably superior and the other is inferior.
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I'm not going to respond to that, as I think/hope that you can do better.
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The blame lies with the curriculum in Hung Gar. I have the same work ethic and physical abilities as ever but I've progressed much much more in the year that I've been boxing than I did in three years of kung fu. I practiced forms hour after hour and because I worked hard I was able to make them look good but they DID NOTHING to make be a better fighter.
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Here, to make a comparison, you really need to have actual statistics, about the fights you had while training Hung Gar, and the fights you had while training boxing.
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There's no getting around the fact if I'd been hitting the bags, training on focus mits and sparring instead of spending a lot of time learning the choreography of the forms I'd be a lot better at fighting than I am.
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How do you know?
When was the last fight you had and what happened?
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There's lots of good information in this thread; it may not be complimentary and it may not be what people want to hear but that doesn't make it any less true.
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Truth, is a very personal thing.
What's true for me, can be false for you.
The difference may be actual experience.
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If someone made a thread about the history of Hung Gar I would post about the Shaolin temples being burned and how the monks fled and hid on opera boats to plot their revenge but this thread is about fighting so that isn't relevant.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought this thread was about how YOU decided to give up CMA???
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Than obviously they have no use for martial arts what so ever and should find some other way to spend their time.
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That'd be a great idea.
Try it.
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If my posts in this thread have that effect than hopefully those people will have enough sense not to let the door hit them in the ass on their way out; one way or the other they won't be missed.
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Ego check yet again mister.
What
you want/expect from a CMA forum may not be what everyone else wants/expects.
There's plenty other self-congratulatory/self-righteous forums out there to choose from hence;
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Originally Posted by Troll Virus
Who the **** appointed you as judge and jury over CMA?
What the **** have you ever done?
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Nobody appointed you, and you've done very little.