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Originally Posted by Little Apple
OK, so that being said, do you guys feel that the little disarming tricks that lots of martial art places teach are appropriate as they are? Do you think they do the job of inserting the concept of dealing with a gun, without overstepping the line into "this is too dangerous and you are not qualified"?
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My .02 on disarms.
Most disarms I see in most systems are laughable and will likely get the user killed. That said there are still some good ones that are simple, safe, and effective out there.
I think the range from the threat will dictate the actions taken (tactics) in this case. Believe me the best gunfighters in the world cannot out draw a firearm already deployed and pointing at them a problem further complicated by drawing their weapon from concealment.
At the closer ranges say 0-8 feet the fight is not a gun fight it is a combatives fight. Closing the distance and going for the disarm although not perfect actually produces higher percentage results than attempting to draw against the badguy who already has his gun pointed at your face.
At further distances away (beyond 10 feet) exploding off the X to the sharper angles of the 11 or 1 o’clock preferably to his backhand while drawing and shooting while continuing to move offers better results. In force training the goodguy can usually get 2 or 3 hits on the badguy before taking a hit and we cannot discount what real ballistic effects these hits will have on the badguy.
Using an elliptical movement pattern stepping off to the 11:00 then back to the 1:00 to close for the disarm can usually be done with the goodguy taking zero hits within 6-7 feet or a side step (off muzzle) and grab if the firearm is close enough.
Without getting into the actual disarms themselves (although fairly simple they are hard to explain without visuals) suffice it to say you can either do the disarm or control the weapon/arm until you can get your own weapon into the fight.
Any fight especially one involving weapons is inherently dangerous I don’t think the risk of attempting a disarm is anymore dangerous than complying or going for weapons access at the closer ranges without creating the opportunity to safely access your own weapons first.
If you are caught unarmed I don’t see you have much of a choice.