The crap people told me about when I owned my gym would astound you.
To keep it simple, people are idiots. There are so many idiots out there that will tell you they got results from things that they don't even know what they were supposed to do.
I've had people say they had great gains from protein powder, (they didn't lift though)
Others who took creatine and thought they added a ton of muscle mass, but their weight barely changed.
I took DHEA for awhile, no noticeable effects.
People have also come in and told me that their family members had been cooked from the inside out in a tanning bed. (you just have to shake your head at these and hope the don't breed)
Others were doing heroin and trying to gain muscle mass, (um duh)
So even if the people got effects it may very well be placebo effect and not relate to the supps at all.
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