Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Ghost,
This is totally off topic, but I love the final quote you added to your signature. Who said it?

And Liberty, you're right in the respect that you should be able to set aside any personal dislike for someone in order to see the merit of the idea itself. Something to remember, though, is that I have no beef with Thai Bri. I think he's a cool guy, and he's made a lot of positive contributions here over the years. Never had any real issues with him at all. What I have done here is see someone I normally AGREE with. That person has said something I find overly general, and in many senses more personal than objective. Despite the fact that I ordinarily agree with him, I have chosen to call him on a behavior (always criticising Vunak) that I disagree with. You've made some pretty presumtuous statements. You assumed that I didn't like Bri, you assumed your way was better than everyone else's here, and you assumed that I'd attack you because you disagree. I'm not doing any such thing. I will, however, point out that you're wrong.

Distill this conversation to the barest essence. Bri said that good material could stand his criticisms. I said Vunak's material has indeed stood it. Michael added accurately that Vunak's material likely never noticed Bri's critiques were there. All of that is true, from Bri's statement to mine and Michael's. No one disagreed with any of it. We were just discussing why it was Bri's habit to go after Vunak with such venom, even though he has established his material over the course of three decades as being pretty functional, dependable, and reality-based.

Then you came along and made the statement that loyal followings and such were exactly what Bruce lee was working to avoid? How does any of that play into the discussion? I'm sorry, but Ghost is also correct. You're coming across sounding like a kid trying to sound important. I don't mean to insult your intelligence, just your sense of appropriateness. It seems to the casual observer like you felt a need to wedge your way into the conversation, and you did it sloppily. I think we all recognize that as a lack of seasoning and experience, and that's okay. Honestly, the way you gain the things you're currently lacking are by wading in and taking your lumps. Take the easy criticisms to heart and adjust fire next time. Everyone so far appears to have your best interests in mind.