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Originally Posted by Liberty
I don't know; it depends on what you mean by "amazing quality. Far too many clips of Wing Chun on youtube by every "master" and or student at every level purport thier having been blown away by the video they post. One watches these clip only to discover once more it's poster meant something along the lines of, "Wow, look at "how fast/skillfull/dealy/etc.," is against a cooperative lackey/wooden dummy or what have you..."
In other words, the clips poster is impressed by demos having nothing to do with actual fighting skill. So, "amazing skill" is vague - amazing in what sense?
Again if your "Kamon must be doing something right..." means that they are attempting to evolve their Wing Chun into an actual fighting art (many BJJ moves/holds/submissions would not qualify as they are easily escaped via a nice juicy bite/eye-gouge/groin crush, etc), then okay. The jury, however, is still out.
I say all this respectfully. I have to believe that given Yip Man's, Hawkins Cheung's, Wong Sheung Leung's and Bruce Lee's own streetfighting legacy - especially Lee's, given the eye witness testimony of people of high integrity (the late James Lee, Taky Kimura, Dan Inosanto, Hawkins himself, et al) who were blown away by his Wing Chun, that the art, in the right hands is an awesome one. And Lee supposedly knew just a third of the art!
So, it's on you, the Wing Chun individual, as much as it is on the art's continued evolvement, and that, along the lines of what it's many practitioners claim - street fight science, not sport.
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Sorry for the late reply.
Yeah, Bod had it spot on.
My point was that a lot of people are saying that wing chun is so poor that no-one of talent would do it
My point was that people like Kevin Chan who now holds a black belt in BJJ still considers wing chun to be his most useful art. So wing chun must have something going for it
Kamon is still creating its 'black belts' page, where we will be displaying guys who train with us who hold black belts in other arts
It doesn't mean that wing chun is the best system out there, only that it must be an okay art if these kind of guys are choosing to do it
As I said before, Bruce Lee evolved into what he became because he started with a good platform (wing chun) and then evolved it so that it would work in the Western world
A lot of schools are still so traditional in wing chun that it does not survive in the West against giant pub fighters, brawlers etc
If you look at some of the rooftop fights of the 50s and compare it to Cage Rage or UFC etc, there are marked dfifferences
Every culture fights differently. And that is exactly what Bruce found when he went to America. So many wing chun schools have to adapt (whilst keeping traditional moves) the style
Part of that is just changing drills slightly. The other part is involving other arts to fill the gaps that wing chun miss (groundwork, long range fighting etc)