Originally Posted by Michael Wright

I didn't say arm breaks don't happen, the point I made is that they are exceptionally hard to achieve in a violent encounter, and I don't buy the casual notion where people say "he'd just snap his arm". In my experience, it is an exceptional technique performed under exceptional circumstances. That was my point.

And Red Rum, you just have a default response to anyone who challenges your assumptions which is "I know people who have used it in a fight, I've used it in a fight, I've seen it in a fight". That line starts to wear a bit thin after a while.