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Red Rum · 03-07-2008, 05:23 AM

Now that everyone seems to have calmed down...

Ghost - my contention was that you can't always rely on your eyes in a fight. I did not say you do not use your eyes in a fight. Of course you do.
Peripheral vision is used, but try using it when your opponent gets you in a headlock guillotine, tight clinch, suplex etc. If you are adamant that you can see every part of your opponent (every limb) then I will concede.

How many full contact (including UFC) fights have you seen where a person loses sight of his opponent? Of course, when two opponents are squaring off and approaching each other you can see each other clearly. But would an average guy see a kick coming in? Or a fast punch coming in? No
The idea of wing chun sensitivity is what you can't see occur in a fight allows you to feel it instead.

Liberty - I stated quite clearly that the concept of sensitivity is not a new one and that BJJ guys, MT guys and even boxers use it in one way or the other. The point was that in wing chun we develop it through chi sao. And you are dead right - many people think that chi sao is the ultimate fighting tool. It is a device, yes, which comes in handy (any sensitivity training would), but I would rather have a hard punch!

Mike, you joke about clinchwork, but in Kamon we use more sensitivity than sight to nullify an opponents attacks. I am never going to keep up with a good boxer in a clinch and neither will a lot of wing chun guys, just by using sight alone and trying to block. Yet relaxing and sticking to an opponent in a clinch (including experienced boxers) does work.

Mike, I will tell you that you will not always see knives in fights. A guy got stabbed in a fight at my local KFC and didn't even know it til he got home
And before people kick off, I am not saying that you will never see a knife, only that Mike seems to think that he will always see a knife attack coming.

They SEE where they need to move. If you like, come over to my gym and I'll show you how it works. (couldn't resist) Oh so now you are throwing a challenge out? Brilliantly mature.

03-07-2008, 05:23 AM	#51 (permalink)
Red Rum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 475	Now that everyone seems to have calmed down... Ghost - my contention was that you can't always rely on your eyes in a fight. I did not say you do not use your eyes in a fight. Of course you do. Peripheral vision is used, but try using it when your opponent gets you in a headlock guillotine, tight clinch, suplex etc. If you are adamant that you can see every part of your opponent (every limb) then I will concede. How many full contact (including UFC) fights have you seen where a person loses sight of his opponent? Of course, when two opponents are squaring off and approaching each other you can see each other clearly. But would an average guy see a kick coming in? Or a fast punch coming in? No The idea of wing chun sensitivity is what you can't see occur in a fight allows you to feel it instead. Liberty - I stated quite clearly that the concept of sensitivity is not a new one and that BJJ guys, MT guys and even boxers use it in one way or the other. The point was that in wing chun we develop it through chi sao. And you are dead right - many people think that chi sao is the ultimate fighting tool. It is a device, yes, which comes in handy (any sensitivity training would), but I would rather have a hard punch! Mike, you joke about clinchwork, but in Kamon we use more sensitivity than sight to nullify an opponents attacks. I am never going to keep up with a good boxer in a clinch and neither will a lot of wing chun guys, just by using sight alone and trying to block. Yet relaxing and sticking to an opponent in a clinch (including experienced boxers) does work. Mike, I will tell you that you will not always see knives in fights. A guy got stabbed in a fight at my local KFC and didn't even know it til he got home And before people kick off, I am not saying that you will never see a knife, only that Mike seems to think that he will always see a knife attack coming. They SEE where they need to move. If you like, come over to my gym and I'll show you how it works. (couldn't resist) Oh so now you are throwing a challenge out? Brilliantly mature.