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Originally Posted by Red Rum
Grixti, who on earth are you training under in Kamon?
In the Kamon classes I train at, we train a variety of moves (under pressure). This includes working from a clinch, being pounded on by an attacker and being 'teased' by long range attacks
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Well this is what we do: Yes we train a variety of moves, but "under pressure" is a bit of a stretch; more like if someone throws a hook, this is a way to block it and then follow up with this. Obviously we do many different types of attack but they lack any kind of freestyle or sparring element.
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Originally Posted by Red Rum
Very recently, Master Chan has changed the grading syllabus to include sparring which involves less wing chun orientated movements like hooks, jabs, uppercutts, etc
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Yes, and i think this is a good idea. I actually went to the sparring seminar and hit a few pads with you Red Rum. And doing light sparring made me realise that its a great way to train for any kind of fight - sport or street - because theres a number of different possible attacks that may come and you have to train your reflexes to dodge the attacks and counter, under a bit more pressure than when you know a particular attack is coming in. This is something that seems to be left out a bit in low level Wing Chun at Kamon. Maybe you do more of that when you are a higher sash but why wait? Why cant you spar Wing Chun?
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Originally Posted by Red Rum
The reason why people choose to train something like wing chun is because they are looking for something other than getting in a ring and dkuing it out. Whether that is because they are too old, not interested in getting hit in the head every night, or because they can't commit to a daily training regime is unknown.
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Im not saying we have to get "hit in the head every night", i think my theory just comes down to 2 ideas:
1. We should practice sparring Wing Chun more, rather than countering hits that we know are going to come the whole time.
2. We should do more work on applying the techniques with power to increase our speed and strength.
Take Muay Thai for example. I have read on this forum that they do a lot of light sparring (no heads being smashed in) but save the speed and power work for someone who is totally padded up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXH_arNuLS8
Couldnt we do something like this but with Wing Chun?
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Originally Posted by Red Rum
Also in boxing and many other arts, you are 'sized up' according to weight etc. In this day and age people understand that when you go out onto the street, you cannot ask to be put up against someone your own weight
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I dont really see what this has to do with my argument. If people this day and age understand that you cant just fight people your size on the street (obviously) surely this is more reason to train in sparring and training your speed and power. Im not saying we should turn Wing Chun into boxing. We can still keep all the Wing Chun theories that MAY enable us to beat a larger fighter, but practice them more on pads and under pressure to make those moves even more effective.
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Originally Posted by Red Rum
It doesn't mean that a good lightweight boxer won't be able to knockout a heavyweight. Only that for every punch the heavyweight throws, the lightweight has to throw 6 punches to keep up. In Kamon, size and strength don't matter. I weight three times as much as Master Chan and he will neutralize me in a heartbeat. Yet, if I sparred with him, even though he is damn good, it would just be a complete mismatch
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"In Kamon size and strength dont matter". I dont know about that. Obviously the theory of Wing Chun may enable a mismatched fight to be less... mismatched, but if a 50KG women fights a man three times her weight, she may deflect a few of his punches but when it comes to elbowing him in the head, it might not do much damage. This is where practicing these moves on pads would come in handy, to get that speed, power, accuracy, whatever so that when the woman hits back she might have more of a chance to stun the guy and run. Do you see what im getting at?
"Yet, if I sparred with him, even though he is damn good, it would just be a complete mismatch" You think you could beat Master Chan in a boxing match then?
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Originally Posted by Red Rum
My advice to you Grixti would be to go and have a look at the Wednesday Covent Garden class. It is intermediate - advanced level and you will see and understadn where your current training is taking you
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I think i might do that. Out of interest, what sash counts as intermediate? I would be interested in seeing exactly that, "where my training is taking me". As i have said in this post, this is an idea/theory from a very limited perspective of the style. But i still think my views are valid. Are any of the things i have suggested - more pad work and freestyle sparring - done in that intermediate class?
Any more views on my idea?