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Originally Posted by Grixti
Well this is what we do: Yes we train a variety of moves, but "under pressure" is a bit of a stretch; more like if someone throws a hook, this is a way to block it and then follow up with this. Obviously we do many different types of attack but they lack any kind of freestyle or sparring element.
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That is not the 'under pressure' I was talking about. Of course you have to learn moves, but they should be applied in feeding techniques and in sparring. If you aren't doing this now, you will be very shortly
And if you went to places like Croydon, Beckenham, Ealing, Epsom, Sutton, Tooting or Catford you would never even question the notion of padwork
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Originally Posted by Grixti
Yes, and i think this is a good idea. I actually went to the sparring seminar and hit a few pads with you Red Rum. And doing light sparring made me realise that its a great way to train for any kind of fight - sport or street - because theres a number of different possible attacks that may come and you have to train your reflexes to dodge the attacks and counter, under a bit more pressure than when you know a particular attack is coming in. This is something that seems to be left out a bit in low level Wing Chun at Kamon. Maybe you do more of that when you are a higher sash but why wait? Why cant you spar Wing Chun?
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Because wing chun wasn't designed for sparring. It is majoritively a close quarter art. This is why people do JKD and why Bruce changed wing chun.
In Kamon we use a lot of boxing with a very loose interpretation of the wing chun footwork, and I wouldn't really classify it as wing chun
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Originally Posted by Grixti
Im not saying we have to get "hit in the head every night", i think my theory just comes down to 2 ideas:
1. We should practice sparring Wing Chun more, rather than countering hits that we know are going to come the whole time.
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Er, have you actually done any feeding techniques? And against a higher sash? At low level, you are learning your way around a punch and building up your movement
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2. We should do more work on applying the techniques with power to increase our speed and strength.
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You should be doing this in your drills. Or against pads.
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Originally Posted by Grixti
Take Muay Thai for example. I have read on this forum that they do a lot of light sparring (no heads being smashed in) but save the speed and power work for someone who is totally padded up:
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Anyone who trains in an art like MT, boxing, BJJ, should do it this way. I know people who go 100 mph during a spar and don't really get anything from it.
We again, do this in Kamon
Getting fully padded up is not that great. Its nice having a bit of protection, but I have seen people get padded up like 'Its a Knockout' and you can't really get any power or movement. Which makes it unrealistic.
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Originally Posted by Grixti
"In Kamon size and strength dont matter". I dont know about that. Obviously the theory of Wing Chun may enable a mismatched fight to be less... mismatched, but if a 50KG women fights a man three times her weight, she may deflect a few of his punches but when it comes to elbowing him in the head, it might not do much damage. This is where practicing these moves on pads would come in handy, to get that speed, power, accuracy, whatever so that when the woman hits back she might have more of a chance to stun the guy and run. Do you see what im getting at?
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A woman (with skill) elbowing me in the head will take me out.
Training on a real person will develop better accuracy than a pad!
But yes pad training is important too, which is why WE DO IT...
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Originally Posted by Grixti
"Yet, if I sparred with him, even though he is damn good, it would just be a complete mismatch" You think you could beat Master Chan in a boxing match then?  |
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No, that isn't what I said. I just said that it would be a mismatch. For every punch that he got in, I would be coming in with a whole load more weight.
Kevin Chan had a very short spar with me at Croydon and because of my range, I found that I had a good advantage. It meant that he had to work hard to get in close. Whereas if he had been bigger, he wouldn't have needed to. In wing chun, he can take control of my arms from a long range, stick and come in. With gloves on, under boxing rules, you can't do this. So you are left with the problem of the bigger opponent
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I think i might do that. Out of interest, what sash counts as intermediate? I would be interested in seeing exactly that, "where my training is taking me". As i have said in this post, this is an idea/theory from a very limited perspective of the style. But i still think my views are valid. Are any of the things i have suggested - more pad work and freestyle sparring - done in that intermediate class?
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Intermediate is usually around Red 2 and above
I would strongly suggest that you ask Kevin Chan the questions you asked on here. I would bet money on the fact that he will say that the grading syllabus has changed to accomodate more sparring.