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Originally Posted by Red Rum
Because wing chun wasn't designed for sparring. It is majoritively a close quarter art. This is why people do JKD and why Bruce changed wing chun.
In Kamon we use a lot of boxing with a very loose interpretation of the wing chun footwork, and I wouldn't really classify it as wing chun
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Originally Posted by Red Rum
Getting fully padded up is not that great. Its nice having a bit of protection, but I have seen people get padded up like 'Its a Knockout' and you can't really get any power or movement. Which makes it unrealistic.
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I think you kind of missed my points a bit Red Rum.
Now, we do do pad work at Kamon but it is mainly chain punching up and down the room - this is not the padwork i am talking about. We have also started doing a few simple boxing drills on pads - this also is not really what i am talking about. Im not saying i dont agree with these training methods i think we should do more of them but UNDER PRESSURE.
If you watched the link i gave you of the Muay Thai fighter you would see that the trainer was padded up and the practicioner wasnt - this is what i meant by fully padded up. This way one person can practice moves with a lot of power but they have to get their timing right and avoid swings etc. from the padder.
So here are two methods of training that i suggest that might clarify my points:
1. We could have someone who is padded up (like in the Muay Thai Gym) and you have to throw out Wing Chun combinations on him e.g. your moving around he will shout "3 chain punches" and you throw him 3 chain punches, then he might swing for you and shout "elbows" at that point you get inside his guard and elbow. I think you get the idea. This way the student is improving timing and getting tired out because of the power of the hits.
2. Another way would be light sparring interprated for Wing Chun. Here we could have two people who take turns attacking eachother. This would be at a slow pace to start with. One person will throw in a punch or kick and the other has to counter and follow up. This could get more and more complex and the speed would be increased. It would probably also be a good idea to wear MMA gloves and head guards. This way the person intecepting an attack has to read whether the guy is going to punch right, punch left, kick, grab etc. then take the advantage, follow up and maybe takedown.
Maybe you do these things in these "intermediate classes" but i have never seen them done myself.
Basically what im trying to say is whats the point learning a few boxing hits one day, then doing some chain punches the next (all on pads), when you can practice using them in unison WITH POWER AND UNDER PRESSURE.
I want to be able to practice my Wing Chun in a situation that is most like a real fight (i have to say it again - with power under pressure). And i think a lot of people will agree with me that this is one thing a lot of Wing Chun clubs lack. Do you see what i mean Red Rum?