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Ghost · 03-25-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grixti

I think you kind of missed my points a bit Red Rum.

Now, we do do pad work at Kamon but it is mainly chain punching up and down the room - this is not the padwork i am talking about. We have also started doing a few simple boxing drills on pads - this also is not really what i am talking about. Im not saying i dont agree with these training methods i think we should do more of them but UNDER PRESSURE.

If you watched the link i gave you of the Muay Thai fighter you would see that the trainer was padded up and the practicioner wasnt - this is what i meant by fully padded up. This way one person can practice moves with a lot of power but they have to get their timing right and avoid swings etc. from the padder.

So here are two methods of training that i suggest that might clarify my points:

1. We could have someone who is padded up (like in the Muay Thai Gym) and you have to throw out Wing Chun combinations on him e.g. your moving around he will shout "3 chain punches" and you throw him 3 chain punches, then he might swing for you and shout "elbows" at that point you get inside his guard and elbow. I think you get the idea. This way the student is improving timing and getting tired out because of the power of the hits.

2. Another way would be light sparring interprated for Wing Chun. Here we could have two people who take turns attacking eachother. This would be at a slow pace to start with. One person will throw in a punch or kick and the other has to counter and follow up. This could get more and more complex and the speed would be increased. It would probably also be a good idea to wear MMA gloves and head guards. This way the person intecepting an attack has to read whether the guy is going to punch right, punch left, kick, grab etc. then take the advantage, follow up and maybe takedown.

Maybe you do these things in these "intermediate classes" but i have never seen them done myself.

Basically what im trying to say is whats the point learning a few boxing hits one day, then doing some chain punches the next (all on pads), when you can practice using them in unison WITH POWER AND UNDER PRESSURE.

I want to be able to practice my Wing Chun in a situation that is most like a real fight (i have to say it again - with power under pressure). And i think a lot of people will agree with me that this is one thing a lot of Wing Chun clubs lack. Do you see what i mean Red Rum?

You are wise beyond your training time. For combat training, which is what you want, then this type of training, as well as other stuff, is ideal and can be done from virtually day 1.

Padwork done where the padman attacks at random allows you to build up reflexes for defense and the stimulus to counter. To counter hard and fast.
With a good padman he wont even tell you what to counter with, he will catch it on the pads, or give you a trigger such as holding the pad in a certain way.
Good padwork will mix all this up, as you saw in the link you put up the padman was thrown by the fighter and he had to block kicks and so on. This builds a good reactive fighter that can counter hard and fast.

Its by no chance that the combative systems use this type of padwork or very similar for training, it works. Its not something one style owns, i hate notions of that, its just a way to use pads that anyone can use.

In my opinion you are just doing the wrong martial art for what you want. You should be doing something like JKD, MT, boxing etc. It will just suit your mindset better. All the things you are saying point that way.