i agree about not using them standing when you can knock a guy out i use them in clinch frequently and on the ground i dont use them ad an end but as a setup idk it works for me -like to setup a choke or give me time to draw my weapon on the ground\
ive never really blinded anyoun in training or in a rel fight but i have made it alot herder for a person to see- eyes watering and cant keep them open- hard to see punches coming then
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