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eXcessiveForce · 04-24-2008, 02:20 AM

Hey all,

Curiosity leads me to ask the question, How far would you go to teach the new guy a lesson in respect.

Say you have a new guy join your training group, he's been around a few months and has been a bit to cocky for his own good from the start. Since his skill level is low he can't back up his perception of himself, and he does a poor job of hiding his paradigm.

Nothing blatant, just he assumes he understands things that he doesn't, Stops listening to instruction mid way through and then does not modify his approach because he wasn't really listening. Spends more time working on things he learned in his old training (which get him pummeled regularly) than actually learning what he's being taught or simply tries in vain to throw garbage hoping he will find away to beat people rather than learning good habits. general stuff like that.

Would you overload him constantly?
Would you out class him and frustrate him?
Would you beat him till he adapts or dies?
Would you knock him out?

Would you escalate the training by adding in other ranges where he thinks he will be better able to fight in (but is totally outclassed in) just to show him he needs to work on what he's being taught rather than his over confident idea of his abilities to somehow magically be able to fight better when he can't fight in the range he is working.

Anyway, I"m just curious how others would deal with a situation like this. Also realize that our goal is to help him improve. However in this context we are not a commercial endeavor anymore but more of a training group who will allow some people to pay to join (at least until they achieve a level to be useful for upper level training purposes) so the concept of losing a student from a business stand point is moot, but the idea of losing a potential training partner is poignant.

I am interested to hear your ideas

04-24-2008, 02:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,828	How far would you go to teach a lesson Hey all, Curiosity leads me to ask the question, How far would you go to teach the new guy a lesson in respect. Say you have a new guy join your training group, he's been around a few months and has been a bit to cocky for his own good from the start. Since his skill level is low he can't back up his perception of himself, and he does a poor job of hiding his paradigm. Nothing blatant, just he assumes he understands things that he doesn't, Stops listening to instruction mid way through and then does not modify his approach because he wasn't really listening. Spends more time working on things he learned in his old training (which get him pummeled regularly) than actually learning what he's being taught or simply tries in vain to throw garbage hoping he will find away to beat people rather than learning good habits. general stuff like that. Would you overload him constantly? Would you out class him and frustrate him? Would you beat him till he adapts or dies? Would you knock him out? Would you escalate the training by adding in other ranges where he thinks he will be better able to fight in (but is totally outclassed in) just to show him he needs to work on what he's being taught rather than his over confident idea of his abilities to somehow magically be able to fight better when he can't fight in the range he is working. Anyway, I"m just curious how others would deal with a situation like this. Also realize that our goal is to help him improve. However in this context we are not a commercial endeavor anymore but more of a training group who will allow some people to pay to join (at least until they achieve a level to be useful for upper level training purposes) so the concept of losing a student from a business stand point is moot, but the idea of losing a potential training partner is poignant. I am interested to hear your ideas __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.