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Originally Posted by kingoftheforest
I'd also like to point out that MMA was designed for arenas like UFC and not originally for the street or SD. RBSD is for just that Self Defense while some people may use it for aggressive purposes that's just being a thug not an RBSD guy.
Defense means you did not start the fight. It means that there is an aggressor attacking you or a person you feel is in your care and you are defending yourself/them against the aggressor. Do people screw the pooch on this concept? Most likely yes.  |
I see a lot of RBSD folks really emphasising pre-emptive attacks. That doesn't strike me as defense, but enough of them are in the RBSD community that you can't say they're not RBSD.
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MMA wasn't designed for defense once again but for the ring.
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A) MMA wasn't designed, it happened
B) It's for fighting a trained opponent, the ring aspect is irrelevant. Dojo/gym matches where a lot of the characteristics you mentioned in ring fights aren't present are completely within the scope of MMA
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When you step into the ring it's not a question of weather or not your going to have to fight. You know without a doubt that you are going to fight someone. There is no avoiding it, there is no talking your way out of the situation, you have trained for one thing and that is to be an aggressor in the ring.
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You're wrong about the one thing part. MMA fighters don't train purely for one thing. Not as a definable characteristic anyway. There may be some who are like that, but that's not something you can describe MMA with.
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I don't know about other RBSD schools but here we train to attempt to avoid fights at all cost through whatever social engineering or avoidance techniques we can train for or think of. That's the difference I see in the two mind sets.
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I don't need an RBSD school to teach me that. My mother's 57 years old and hasn't been in a single fight. My grandmother's in her nineties and fled Holland for Switzerland, and had to get past German bordar patrols with a fake passport, she hasn't been in a single fight either. Outside of school, the gym, and competition, I haven't had a single fight. I just don't get in them. I didn't need to do anything special to learn how to not get into fights. You're spending time on something anyone can do instinctively, as long as they're not a hot-head. It's not a question of mindset when you train. MMA fighters don't get into fights because they train MMA. Those who do got into MMA because they like to fight, so it's not something that's created or determined by the training. You'll also have a hard time convincing me that the de-escalation drills and training you do have anything to do with you avoiding fights, as I know plenty of people who don't give it a second thought who are complete pros at not getting in fights. I could refer you to a full floor of girls from my dorm in university who haven't been in fights.
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I have trained on both sides MMA and RBSD these are just my personal experiences and I am in no way attempting to say that anyone else's are any less valid. I'd just like to put what's on my mind out there.
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I have quite the opposite experience. When I was flirting with RBSD (Senshido and Marc MacYoung), I was starting to apply the awareness and pre-empting principles that they talked about. I started becoming nervous and jumpy, and just on the edge of fighting. The closest I've ever been to getting into fights was when I was in the RBSD mindset and worrying that anyone might be wanting to attack me. I also started laughing when I realised guys who bragged about having hundreds of streetfights were the ones trying to tell me what did and didn't work in terms of avoiding fights. I clearly don't want to learn fight avoidance from someone who's had 200 of them.
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Migo you present your thoughts and experiences in a respectful and direct manner and back them up with logical thought. That's very refreshing here compared to the way some people just say whatever and
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Heh. Yes. I was thinking the same thing about you. You bring up some good points that make me step back and re-evaluate whether my original stance was correct. I like that.