Originally Posted by Maxx

Jeet Kune Do: There seem to be two schools of thought here. Those schools who train people to fight and those that teach technique more or less. Many practitioners, especially from Europe seem to be very highly technically developed in their jun fan based trapping but couldn't fight off a band of 5th graders if it came down to it. I also run into a lot of people who don't seem to have any wind or do contact sparring.

one other thing that just occurred to me is the certification problem in JKD. I've come across a large number of "instructors" who are "certified" who barely know how to apply Pak Sao or Lop Sao, much less anything else. These people are sometimes certified by well known JKD figureheads either through seminars or intense weekend training programs and are then given certs.

Kali, I think is a incredible weapons art, but I don't run across that many people in Kali who are good empty hand fighters unless they have cross trained in another system. Also, I've found a lot of practitioners who are very good at the various drills such as Hubud or Countra Sumbrada that can pull of some amazing things out of the drills but have no real world fighting experience. Some of the techniques are also questionable as well. I did a little training under a high ranked instructor in Lameco Escrima about 10 years ago and some of the stuff he was trying to pass off as knife defense made me a little nervous.