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Originally Posted by Michael Wright
You're going to have to help me out here brother.
When did Boxing start to get owned like this, have I missed that?
A boxer in the Thai ring, sure he's going to be up against it, however the reverse is completely true of a Thai in a boxing ring. A boxer on the mat with a grappler, yeah he will get owned, but so will a grappler in the boxer's ring. So not sure I follow so far.
OK so MMA. Well, boxing is just a component of MMA, in the same way kicks, clinch, knees, elbows and grappling are just a component. I haven't seen boxing get owned by another component of MMA, I have seen MMA fighters get owned by better MMA fighters.
So, to the pavement arena. Every serious altercation I have been in has started and finished in conversation range, where hands are king, and all my primary tools have come from Boxing. All of the best people I have worked alongside in this arena also employ Boxing as their primary arsenal, to awesome effect.
So all in all brother I hope you don't mind if I'm still a little confused, and just wondered when Boxing started to get so owned?
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Hi Michael,
The most recent evidence on a world level is in K1,most of the boxers that have entered have done ok but get beat,and thats K1 not Muay Thai, they cant handle the low kick mainly,if it was in Muay Thai ring with knee/elbow and clinch then even worse for them im afraid.
More evidence is in the Muay Thai rings(of thailand) themselves the thai fighters that like to punch still have to learn the other weapon defence and attacks or they just dont stand a chance,after that they have a punchers chance.
Yet more evidence(personal) is in the local gyms,all the Muay Thai coaches that i know have had either boxers come in to train or even challenge(had that a lot myself in the early days)the feedback from the boxers is always the same and puts what we do in a positive light.
Even in a Boxing only match the Muay Thai/Kickboxer has a better chance than the other way around,given that the punches are the same,this is evidenced by the ammount of World Boxing Champions that have come from Thailand and a Muay Thai background.
My main point on this though is for a MMA event i cant understand why fighters train boxing a lot when they could train all the stand up weapons,punch,kick,knee and elbow(plus clinch).
There is plenty of evidence that boxers get taken down etc in a MMA enviroment is there not?.
Now if we are talking about punching(not Boxing) then the value of good punching in any enviroment is a great asset,there are many good punchers in the Muay Thai rings.
And lastly for the street,i have heard a lot from doorman friends that say boxers dont do all that well in a scrap that stems from doorwork(ie when called out) the main reason they give for this is that combinations dont work so good,far better to punch twice with the same hand at the same target(ie a double right hand to jaw line).
As you can see i make a distinction beetween Boxing and Punching,punching is valuable in any enviroment imho,Boxing with its wide stance turned in front foot,bent upper body position etc has to be adapted for Kickboxing,Muay Thai and MMA(perhaps the street to),i do realise there are different ways to box,upright on the toes,or weight forward, bobbing ,slipping etc.
Michael i love Boxing,the skills that can be developed are awesome,the training methods can benefit any fighting art,and i actually think that a 12 round high level boxing match is the hardest of all the contact sports(ive competed in,Muay Thai,Kick Boxing,and wrestling) getting hit in the body and chin by a good pro must be hell and they deserve every penny the get for doing it,but i stand by what i said(or meant!) Boxers get owned in Muay Thai,KickBoxing,and MMA.
Thanks for making me think Michael,i always value your opinions,on this one we differ brother,
All the best.