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Twisted up · 06-18-2001, 06:00 PM

Right Hooker:

One more thing (or maybe several): The way that Matt T. looks at it is; develop your 'sport game' and the self-defense aspects are a sort-of by-product of this training. It's a matter of developing the attributes and this is pretty much what NHB fight training does for the individual. We know it isn't a "real" fight, but it is a "realistic" fight in that, our opponent/partner is trying to hit us BACK!!! That changes things dramatically needless to say.

When you have a good base in the boxing/stand-up range, you learn to add the Savate kicks and the straight blast. That "amps up" your street game quite a bit.

In the clinching range, you develop the ability to control position while adding strikes and takedowns. In the street, you can put in eye gouging and other "foul tactics". It is visceral to try and grab onto your opponent in a fight and understanding the mechanics behind the Greco-Roman clinch (and muay Thai clinch work) puts you way ahead of the game.

As for the ground, it's a matter again of developing your Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ability and then adding the strikes of vale-tudo. This again develops attributes with emphasis on control positioning. Affter skill is developed, it's an easy matter to add the "fouling tactics". You simply MUST learn to be adaptible! If not, there will be a glaring weakness in your abilities!

One thing about BJJ ground fighting: In case anyone doesn't know; We're not going to just get a position and keep it, waiting for the opponent to make a mistake. That may happen in NHB, but the reality is, sometimes the ground fight happens. IF you go down, you go on YOUR terms and put in the fouling tactics IMMEDIATELY! You're not TRYING to get a submission, you're trying to SURVIVE! There is a difference. If you are tackled on the street, is it not better to have an understanding of the guard and escape skills in order to effectively fight back? I think so.

This is pretty much what Thornton's JKD tapes are about. It is VERY applicable to both NHB and street! I can't stress that enough.

I would recommend the purchase of the 3 tape series (series 1) if you haven't done so. They're really not that expensive and provide the best base of knowledge for "Reality fighting" that I've yet seen on video!

As for the nature of "street self-defense", IMO it's largely a myth. People simply don't attack empty-handed anymore and I'm sorry, but there isn't ANY style on the planet that will EVER even the odds in that situation.

Just recently in Tennessee, an immigrant from the Sudan was stabbed in the chest in an argument over a PARKING SPACE! That's reality.

It's better to train hard in the gym so that one's ego doesn't "pull your strings" enough to make you get into those arguments in the FIRST place! This isn't directed at you Right Hooker, or anyone else for that matter. It's just the facts.

Good Luck!

John W. Kogas

06-18-2001, 06:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Twisted up Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 172 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Right Hooker: One more thing (or maybe several): The way that Matt T. looks at it is; develop your 'sport game' and the self-defense aspects are a sort-of by-product of this training. It's a matter of developing the attributes and this is pretty much what NHB fight training does for the individual. We know it isn't a "real" fight, but it is a "realistic" fight in that, our opponent/partner is trying to hit us BACK!!! That changes things dramatically needless to say. When you have a good base in the boxing/stand-up range, you learn to add the Savate kicks and the straight blast. That "amps up" your street game quite a bit. In the clinching range, you develop the ability to control position while adding strikes and takedowns. In the street, you can put in eye gouging and other "foul tactics". It is visceral to try and grab onto your opponent in a fight and understanding the mechanics behind the Greco-Roman clinch (and muay Thai clinch work) puts you way ahead of the game. As for the ground, it's a matter again of developing your Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ability and then adding the strikes of vale-tudo. This again develops attributes with emphasis on control positioning. Affter skill is developed, it's an easy matter to add the "fouling tactics". You simply MUST learn to be adaptible! If not, there will be a glaring weakness in your abilities! One thing about BJJ ground fighting: In case anyone doesn't know; We're not going to just get a position and keep it, waiting for the opponent to make a mistake. That may happen in NHB, but the reality is, sometimes the ground fight happens. IF you go down, you go on YOUR terms and put in the fouling tactics IMMEDIATELY! You're not TRYING to get a submission, you're trying to SURVIVE! There is a difference. If you are tackled on the street, is it not better to have an understanding of the guard and escape skills in order to effectively fight back? I think so. This is pretty much what Thornton's JKD tapes are about. It is VERY applicable to both NHB and street! I can't stress that enough. I would recommend the purchase of the 3 tape series (series 1) if you haven't done so. They're really not that expensive and provide the best base of knowledge for "Reality fighting" that I've yet seen on video! As for the nature of "street self-defense", IMO it's largely a myth. People simply don't attack empty-handed anymore and I'm sorry, but there isn't ANY style on the planet that will EVER even the odds in that situation. Just recently in Tennessee, an immigrant from the Sudan was stabbed in the chest in an argument over a PARKING SPACE! That's reality. It's better to train hard in the gym so that one's ego doesn't "pull your strings" enough to make you get into those arguments in the FIRST place! This isn't directed at you Right Hooker, or anyone else for that matter. It's just the facts. Good Luck! John W. Kogas Last edited by Twisted up; 06-18-2001 at 06:12 PM.