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Originally Posted by Ghost  Uke, i find your posts interesting, im not sure we are as closed minded as you think. I know what you mean by intensity, raw violence etc. I dont see thai boxing etc as limiting this ability.
Anyway, the program i saw, no one fought with fists it was all shooting. I dont really think anyone had fist fights in that area, or knife fights much. It was all shootings. We saw dead body after dead body as people were shot and they turned up with the police shortly after.
THe gang members they interviewed only talked about guns. it was like a warzone and hard to believe that can exist in a developed country.
The only thing that would be any use around there would be to be able to shoot well. |
Well the story in this thread involves a stabbing, and this story is not unique.
I don't think
everyone is closed minded Ghost, but if you read throughout this forum you'll see an abundance of closed-mindedness. Have you ever read the BJJ effectiveness topic I created? It turned into a full out flame war over me putting a distinction into place. People here like to pretend that whatever they're doing at the moment is the "greatest thing ever" and all encompassing instead of recognizing that there is a tool for every job. You wouldn't try to hammer a nail in with a shovel although I'm sure it
could be done. Most of the people(but not all) here don't want any part of that. They only want cheerleading for the flavor of the month.
You never answered my question, ghost. "
What would a muay thai boxer have done once he was stabbed?"
The man in this story went into fight or flight mode and his training took over. He trained just like I described to you in the "jujitsu" thread, ghost. I know this because I know exactly where he learned, what he used and the man who taught it to him.
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Originally Posted by ghost Fact is every RSBD contains a good degree of boxing, thai boxing and BJJ. But ideally you would have more than this alone. |
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Originally Posted by ghost Krav Maga and that is taught in a fairly similar way to a thai boxing lesson. |
My point in our previous discussion was that no modern RBSD approaches a self defense situation like a thai boxing lesson. None that are noteworthy. If they teach that way then the students practice that way, which means they will attempt to execute like a thai boxer during an altercation.
Which leads us back to the question:
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What would a muay thai boxer have done once he was stabbed?"
We don't even have to use the element of injury to discuss what I'm getting at. What would a thai boxer do once the knife was produced and the distance was closed? What would he do once he was surrounded? Of course the honest answer is he would either freeze up because his ring training never prepared him for this, or he would simply begin kickboxing because that's what he knows how to do.
I can pose this question to judoka, karateka, arnisadors, wrestlers, BJJ players, boxers, MMA fighters, and any other non-modern RBSD practitioner and the answer would play out the same. Arnisadors would have the best chance of the group because he has experience with weapons and disarms, but once again we must factor in that most FMA isn't based on concise tactics, and they sure as hell aren't teaching their students how to gutterfight.
This goes back to my earlier point about being careful when choosing your base art. Why would you chose an art that puts you at a disadvantage in these types of situations as a base for these exact type of situations? Its makes no sense.
Everyone these days wants to be a mad scientist and mix and match parts to create their own frankenstein method, but the problem is that the people who try this often times have never mastered
ANY range, and are constantly working from assumptions because of that fact. NHB competition has given a lot of people the idea that mastering a range is for suckers because the smart man dabbles. That's crap, and people who think that way usually wind up dead in situations like the one in this news story.