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WTG · 12-04-2001, 08:29 PM

One last thing, I REALLY believe that if we take the approach of ONLY doing what can be sparred, we will miss so much! What do I mean? I really think some of the old drills are very valuable because they left you train the X-Rated tools!

Ok, if we pad up, and then spar all out, and I say catch the jab and am able to cover and elbow the bicep on the follow up hook, from there, swing that same elbow in a backhand manner at the temple and follow with a down elbow as part of the flow.

If we are padded up, the as sson as I hit the bicep with the elbow (I might have an elbow pad, or agree not to go FULL out due to damage) By not FULLY hitting that nerve, I am not getting the TRUE reaction! I may not be able to get the follow up elbow to the temple off because since my partner is not hurt, what's to stop him from maybe grabbing me at that point?

What I am trying to get at, is if I don't HURT my partner, It is not a real reaction! Ever see the Cleveland Browns game where a BIG football player with his adrenaline going full blast caught a flag in the eye? He went DOWN!! And I belive his carrer is over! From a piece of cloth in the eye!

These "X-Rated" techniques can't be sparred, because they WILL hurt your partner and we of course don't want to do that! So what to do? It is not enough to just "tack them on" as almost an after thought saying of course we can eye jab here or fish hook etc.. That would be like saying Oh, and you can underhook and get the back here, but anyway...

How you train is how you will react! Fact is, there must be a certain amount of "trust" in what has been passed down as well as physics, there are things we will never be able to practice full out because they will either destroy our partner or we will gear him up so much, that we are not really doing the technique anymore!

I am not trying to "change" JKDU LOL! I am bringing this up here because I TRULY belive Burton is after TRUTH! I and Know he will be honest and openminded. Also Burton and all of JKDU put it on the line. I am not interested in discussing theroy with "arm chair" warriors, I want to talk to people who have sparred hard and are after TRUTH period!

Thanks guys.

-Rick

12-04-2001, 08:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
WTG Novice Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 117 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	One last thing, I REALLY believe that if we take the approach of ONLY doing what can be sparred, we will miss so much! What do I mean? I really think some of the old drills are very valuable because they left you train the X-Rated tools! Ok, if we pad up, and then spar all out, and I say catch the jab and am able to cover and elbow the bicep on the follow up hook, from there, swing that same elbow in a backhand manner at the temple and follow with a down elbow as part of the flow. If we are padded up, the as sson as I hit the bicep with the elbow (I might have an elbow pad, or agree not to go FULL out due to damage) By not FULLY hitting that nerve, I am not getting the TRUE reaction! I may not be able to get the follow up elbow to the temple off because since my partner is not hurt, what's to stop him from maybe grabbing me at that point? What I am trying to get at, is if I don't HURT my partner, It is not a real reaction! Ever see the Cleveland Browns game where a BIG football player with his adrenaline going full blast caught a flag in the eye? He went DOWN!! And I belive his carrer is over! From a piece of cloth in the eye! These "X-Rated" techniques can't be sparred, because they WILL hurt your partner and we of course don't want to do that! So what to do? It is not enough to just "tack them on" as almost an after thought saying of course we can eye jab here or fish hook etc.. That would be like saying Oh, and you can underhook and get the back here, but anyway... How you train is how you will react! Fact is, there must be a certain amount of "trust" in what has been passed down as well as physics, there are things we will never be able to practice full out because they will either destroy our partner or we will gear him up so much, that we are not really doing the technique anymore! I am not trying to "change" JKDU LOL! I am bringing this up here because I TRULY belive Burton is after TRUTH! I and Know he will be honest and openminded. Also Burton and all of JKDU put it on the line. I am not interested in discussing theroy with "arm chair" warriors, I want to talk to people who have sparred hard and are after TRUTH period! Thanks guys. -Rick __________________ White Tiger Gym "Truth through experience..."