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HOWARD KIMONOS · 03-31-2002, 01:51 PM

1.) Don't try to back-pedal Grahf1...caught you with your blinders on and your eyes closed, so don't try to play it off as if you were joking. Unless you become open minded you will always be a weak BJJ player.

2.) Roy Gaflaer -- While Rorian Gracie is a ground expert, he is not an expert when it comes to the nuances of stand up grappling. Just like a physically strong equally skilled BJJ player will out-muscle a weaker equally skilled BJJ player, strength is an asset that cannot be abandoned. That being said, a technically skilled but not physically strong stand up grappler can tie up and frustrate a physically strong but clueless BJJ player in stand up grappling.

When Rorian was on his promotional blitz in the late 80s' and early 90s' and in the UFC, trying to sell the concepts of ground grappling to the martial arts world, he said people should recognize the importance of the ground and not be afraid of it. He said stand up practitioners such as boxers and striking martial artists must open their eyes and adapt or they will become obselete. It is funny, that you said you started training with the Gracies in 1993, yet you wonder what did Rorian preach years ago. So what goes around comes around.

You know that the stand up transition to the ground is one of the major weaknesses in BJJ. The wrestling community has already identified the BJJ guard as a strength so, they adapted to counter
getting trapped in it.

I can go on and on, but for you to really open your eyes, you need to come to this seminar.

03-31-2002, 01:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
HOWARD KIMONOS Registered User Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Gardena,Ca.USA Posts: 382 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	1.) Don't try to back-pedal Grahf1...caught you with your blinders on and your eyes closed, so don't try to play it off as if you were joking. Unless you become open minded you will always be a weak BJJ player. 2.) Roy Gaflaer -- While Rorian Gracie is a ground expert, he is not an expert when it comes to the nuances of stand up grappling. Just like a physically strong equally skilled BJJ player will out-muscle a weaker equally skilled BJJ player, strength is an asset that cannot be abandoned. That being said, a technically skilled but not physically strong stand up grappler can tie up and frustrate a physically strong but clueless BJJ player in stand up grappling. When Rorian was on his promotional blitz in the late 80s' and early 90s' and in the UFC, trying to sell the concepts of ground grappling to the martial arts world, he said people should recognize the importance of the ground and not be afraid of it. He said stand up practitioners such as boxers and striking martial artists must open their eyes and adapt or they will become obselete. It is funny, that you said you started training with the Gracies in 1993, yet you wonder what did Rorian preach years ago. So what goes around comes around. You know that the stand up transition to the ground is one of the major weaknesses in BJJ. The wrestling community has already identified the BJJ guard as a strength so, they adapted to counter getting trapped in it. I can go on and on, but for you to really open your eyes, you need to come to this seminar. Last edited by HOWARD KIMONOS; 03-31-2002 at 01:54 PM.