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Old 10-23-2000, 04:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Default hm.. good question chad, i've wondered this as well

me.. i learned at a class teaching jun fan concepts.. so it was a mix of thai boxing/western boxing/ wing chun/ kali/arnis/escrima/silat/ shootfighting..etc. really, too wide a base for the same beginning class in my opinion then and now.

I learned, first, what i now think of as largo mano, but dunno if that's the right term.. it was a two stick drill at long range. the right hand did a 1angle labtik, then a 2 angle labtick. the left hand did a 2angle labtik, then a 1 angle labtik.. the right: 1 angle labtick, low backhand labtick, left: 2 angle labtick, low backhand labtick right|: one angle labtik, low backhand witik, high backhand labtik the left: 2 angle labtik, low backhand witik, high backhand labtick

this was the beginning of a drill we just called "siniwalli" though i think it may have had more stuff thrown in it. it progressed on to a 4 count pattern, then heaven/earth/and standard 6 count pattern, then 5 different figure 8's with rechambering (downward, upward, flat, oblique 1 and oblique2).. then it had abanikos with rechambering (sun/moon/horizontal/vertical lines) and then redondo 8 counts (same lines as abaniko)

if it progressed farther than that, I didn't learn it.

then I learned boxflow with single stick, progressed to long and short stick, and then two handed weapon. after that, my teacher taught me what he said were the 4 basic disarms

next was hubud, first just learning to stop the attack and pass it, then working in the low strike to the belly (4 angle?)

there were a few other things we did with weapons, but only once or twice.. such as some espada y daga drills that taught us to use our dagger hand like a right cross.. tying a weapon with the long arm and then closing with a step to dispatch with the dagger..

we did some emptyhand stuff as well. some lockflow.. with escapes and finding strikes throught out the drill..

all of these were taught first statically, but quickly we were encouraged to use the proper footwork for defense/power..

we were taught in a manner (as far as progression is concerned) that kept us constantly off balance. to use bruce's terms, we were taken into the chaos with a new drill we didn't understand..and as soon as the drill started to feel like order, my instructor would add another element to keep it alive, and to keep us used to feeling somewhat uncomfortable in fighting situations. heavy emphasis on aliveness.. heavy emphasis on the fact that the drills are not fighting, simply compounded wisdom to answer questions within fighting and to drill certain concepts/reflexes into us so we could then utilize it when hit with a problem in live sparring..

in my opinion, my teacher put excellent emphasis on hard contact hand to hand fighting (he's fought in several countries, and tends to tear the avearage "kickboxer" to shreds in the ring..).. however, I felt we needed lots more stickfighting sparring. that was probably due to the fact that he['s running a class in missouri..a conservative backwards state as most things are concerned.

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