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Chad W. Getz · 10-23-2000, 11:35 PM

Dwayne,

Yours is a progression that I think alot of people go through, even myself when I first started...but back to the contact of it all...was it correct? I mean we learned all these "drills" and defenses and strikes "<*before*>" we have even see a stick fight. Are we being fed a misleading image? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think alot of the old men started out in full contact and gradually reached a high level of body mechanics. In other words like a baby learns to crawl, stand, balance, walk with the aid of a walker and holding on to things, and then walk, I think this is how the old men first learned. This is how my instructor learned. Now though, so many instructors are teaching the drills right away, not much contact, it's like completely skipping over the beginning. Are the drills really the basics? I would think that evasion are the basics. Of course, thats just my opinion. An opinion that is based on a background of stickfighting though. I used to think that all the deflections and the sayaws and the drills were basics, but now I totally disagree. That is pretty much where I wanted this thread to go. That type of progression. I hear the Edgar Sulite was an excellent fighter and excellent teacher, maybe some of his students could speak here? What kind of progression did he use? Or Tatang Ilustrisimo? What about Angel Cabales original students?

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Chad W. Getz Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Honolulu Posts: 509 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwayne, Yours is a progression that I think alot of people go through, even myself when I first started...but back to the contact of it all...was it correct? I mean we learned all these "drills" and defenses and strikes "<before>" we have even see a stick fight. Are we being fed a misleading image? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think alot of the old men started out in full contact and gradually reached a high level of body mechanics. In other words like a baby learns to crawl, stand, balance, walk with the aid of a walker and holding on to things, and then walk, I think this is how the old men first learned. This is how my instructor learned. Now though, so many instructors are teaching the drills right away, not much contact, it's like completely skipping over the beginning. Are the drills really the basics? I would think that evasion are the basics. Of course, thats just my opinion. An opinion that is based on a background of stickfighting though. I used to think that all the deflections and the sayaws and the drills were basics, but now I totally disagree. That is pretty much where I wanted this thread to go. That type of progression. I hear the Edgar Sulite was an excellent fighter and excellent teacher, maybe some of his students could speak here? What kind of progression did he use? Or Tatang Ilustrisimo? What about Angel Cabales original students? __________________ Chad W. Getz Full Contact Hawaii - http://www.fullcontacthi.com Stickfighting Digest - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stickfighting The grappling arts imply most fights end up on the ground. The striking arts imply all fights start standing up. The clinching arts imply the clinch can stop the striker from striking, and the grappler from taking it to the ground. The weapon arts imply the they can stop the unarmed man. A complete martial art implies any fight can go anywhere...be ready and able to go everywhere.