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Einherjar · 10-20-2002, 05:51 PM

In three years of bouncing I saw and was in a lot of fights. I went to the ground one time. I put a hip throw on a guy and followed him down with body on top riding him into the floor. Fight over. Most of the fights I have seen were decided by the first punch. The first guy to the ground is generally going down to get the shit kicked out of him. Not always, but frequently.

I have worked in the bouncing trade myself for a while too and, while I was never dragged to the floor, I have seen lots of fights that were ended as grappling affairs (or stomping and bottling, for that matter).

Sure, I’ll agree that 9 out of 10 drunks fall to the floor on their first swing. But drunken idiots aside I don’t think the number is anywhere near that high. Just my personal opinion based upon personal observation.

Don't get me wrong, man. I`m not trying to contradict your views on the subject and, perhaps, nine out of ten is too much an exaggeration. But, anyway, my experience tells me that most fights end up on the ground. It's what I have seen in my time but that doesn't mean that I'm right and the rest of the world is wrong.

And no, I am not trying to dispute the effectiveness or necessity of ground fighting. It’s just that from what I have seen, the 9 out of 10 thing is a huge exaggeration.

Well, as I previously stated, I agree with you. But, percentages aside, more than 3/4 of the fights I have been involved in or witnessed ended up on the ground (and I don't neccesarily mean they were one on one fights).

The primary reason I posted this was because of the multiple opponent content. You CAN fight multiple opponents… as long as they lack commitment and are not expecting you to go. That IMO was the key to what happened in this video. He blitzed these guys with total commitment. They were pretty certain their numbers gave them an advantage and he wouldn’t do anything. They were surprised. They were blitzed and it shocked them. That IMO, is the lesson the video illustrates. (And yes, the guys he was fighting were probably very lame, slightly drunk etc. That is however the kind of idiots you get into something like this with most of the time...)

Amen to that.

10-20-2002, 05:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Einherjar Novice Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 43 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In three years of bouncing I saw and was in a lot of fights. I went to the ground one time. I put a hip throw on a guy and followed him down with body on top riding him into the floor. Fight over. Most of the fights I have seen were decided by the first punch. The first guy to the ground is generally going down to get the shit kicked out of him. Not always, but frequently. I have worked in the bouncing trade myself for a while too and, while I was never dragged to the floor, I have seen lots of fights that were ended as grappling affairs (or stomping and bottling, for that matter). Sure, I’ll agree that 9 out of 10 drunks fall to the floor on their first swing. But drunken idiots aside I don’t think the number is anywhere near that high. Just my personal opinion based upon personal observation. Don't get me wrong, man. I`m not trying to contradict your views on the subject and, perhaps, nine out of ten is too much an exaggeration. But, anyway, my experience tells me that most fights end up on the ground. It's what I have seen in my time but that doesn't mean that I'm right and the rest of the world is wrong. And no, I am not trying to dispute the effectiveness or necessity of ground fighting. It’s just that from what I have seen, the 9 out of 10 thing is a huge exaggeration. Well, as I previously stated, I agree with you. But, percentages aside, more than 3/4 of the fights I have been involved in or witnessed ended up on the ground (and I don't neccesarily mean they were one on one fights). The primary reason I posted this was because of the multiple opponent content. You CAN fight multiple opponents… as long as they lack commitment and are not expecting you to go. That IMO was the key to what happened in this video. He blitzed these guys with total commitment. They were pretty certain their numbers gave them an advantage and he wouldn’t do anything. They were surprised. They were blitzed and it shocked them. That IMO, is the lesson the video illustrates. (And yes, the guys he was fighting were probably very lame, slightly drunk etc. That is however the kind of idiots you get into something like this with most of the time...) Amen to that.