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ryanhall · 11-08-2002, 05:39 PM

blade,
i never said it was a particularly bad art. just not for me. i found the knife defenses to be ridiculous and dangerous, and the empty hand techniqes to be inefficient. writs locks are totally useless when someone who is capable decides to resist in earnet. if anything, they are useful for controlling someone once you have their hands behind their back--so as to apply the cuffs. you don't see police trying to grab someone's arm and lock it when they run, do you? you see them tackle the sob. also, though there are exceptions, you don't really see people resisting arrest violently without a weapon. most cops don't get the hand to hand necessary to deal with a weapon, and i would surmise, probably do not expect to survive a edged weapon. the most common thing that stabbed police officers say is: "i thought it was an fuking punch." as a result, they are taught to stay 25 feet back from someone with a knife. it takes the average man 1.2 seconds to cross 20 feet, and nothing short of a central nervous system shot will stop someone for certain.

locks and holds are for people who can't hit back--cops. as you may know, leo's get some of the worst training around. according to those in the know, today's military hand to hand training is largely garbage. note: i am NOT calling bjj/gjj garbage, just inappropriate for the military's needs. it does, however, help to develop an "in your face" mindset that is critical to combat success. at the end of ww II, the militaries of the western powers had a very good system put together. however, political correctness has taken it from "destroy and move on" to "restraing the man who is trying to bite out your jugular." do some research on it. you'll probably find it interesting.

finally, Szczepankiewicz,
i DID question myself. i found that what i was learning was garbage, and i moved on. secondly, the "master" was trained by a very well-respected member of the hapkido community who will remain nameless for the purposes of this post. i can tell you that neither my teacher nor his was no fighter. i believe that, in order to teach properly, one needs to have real world experience. without it, everything you do is guesswork that can get you or your students injured/killed. it is grossly irresponsible. back in the day, arts didn't contain 10,000 techniques. this is just used to entice the public. one technique mastered is better than one hundred sampled.

a little note: wrist locks, pressure point strikes, etc. are FINE MOTOR SKILLS. these deteriorate under adrenal stress--doesn't even take a lot of stress. at the same time, gross motor skills a la the muay thai knee or a headbutt are increased. in real life, combat doesn't come down to flawlessly-executed flying armbars and the like. it comes down to who wants it more. most guys can't even throw a decent punch when the sh!t hits the fan. you will be a different person in the ring than you will at 2 am outside a bar. try to understand this.

i hope i explained my position. i apologize for being long winded

11-08-2002, 05:39 PM	#19 (permalink)
ryanhall Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	blade, i never said it was a particularly bad art. just not for me. i found the knife defenses to be ridiculous and dangerous, and the empty hand techniqes to be inefficient. writs locks are totally useless when someone who is capable decides to resist in earnet. if anything, they are useful for controlling someone once you have their hands behind their back--so as to apply the cuffs. you don't see police trying to grab someone's arm and lock it when they run, do you? you see them tackle the sob. also, though there are exceptions, you don't really see people resisting arrest violently without a weapon. most cops don't get the hand to hand necessary to deal with a weapon, and i would surmise, probably do not expect to survive a edged weapon. the most common thing that stabbed police officers say is: "i thought it was an fuking punch." as a result, they are taught to stay 25 feet back from someone with a knife. it takes the average man 1.2 seconds to cross 20 feet, and nothing short of a central nervous system shot will stop someone for certain. locks and holds are for people who can't hit back--cops. as you may know, leo's get some of the worst training around. according to those in the know, today's military hand to hand training is largely garbage. note: i am NOT calling bjj/gjj garbage, just inappropriate for the military's needs. it does, however, help to develop an "in your face" mindset that is critical to combat success. at the end of ww II, the militaries of the western powers had a very good system put together. however, political correctness has taken it from "destroy and move on" to "restraing the man who is trying to bite out your jugular." do some research on it. you'll probably find it interesting. finally, Szczepankiewicz, i DID question myself. i found that what i was learning was garbage, and i moved on. secondly, the "master" was trained by a very well-respected member of the hapkido community who will remain nameless for the purposes of this post. i can tell you that neither my teacher nor his was no fighter. i believe that, in order to teach properly, one needs to have real world experience. without it, everything you do is guesswork that can get you or your students injured/killed. it is grossly irresponsible. back in the day, arts didn't contain 10,000 techniques. this is just used to entice the public. one technique mastered is better than one hundred sampled. a little note: wrist locks, pressure point strikes, etc. are FINE MOTOR SKILLS. these deteriorate under adrenal stress--doesn't even take a lot of stress. at the same time, gross motor skills a la the muay thai knee or a headbutt are increased. in real life, combat doesn't come down to flawlessly-executed flying armbars and the like. it comes down to who wants it more. most guys can't even throw a decent punch when the sh!t hits the fan. you will be a different person in the ring than you will at 2 am outside a bar. try to understand this. i hope i explained my position. i apologize for being long winded __________________ "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"