You can get perfected character and discipline by any manner of methods.
If I'm taking Tai Chi, Yoga or even Judo I can learn good things. When I took Judo it was all about the sport and athleticism and incorporated the traditional bowing and etiquette. The sensei did briefly discuss self defense applicaitons, but he wasn't trying to sell Judo as self defense.
World of difference in my opinion.
I hear what your saying Wisdom.
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