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Originally posted by ceasarx
I am a long term practioner of TJJ and I have been researching its history. I have found that the true mentality of TJJ was meant to kill someone on a battlefield not to be nice to them and practice the love thy enemy routine. that practice came into effect when the feudal dynasties came to an end and AikiJuJitsu started to develope as an aristocrated art. As far as it being the founder of Judo and Karate I can say this . most Japanese systems are Jujitsu based, But karate originated in china and then went to okinawa. and the reason Jujitsu strikes look alot like karate strikes is because they were influenced by Kenpo ( chinese boxing )
Oh and one more thing I am not sur about this but I think that Jujitsu was supposed to be the subtle science but on this fact I have no real fact I am just guessing
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When it was used at the battlefield it was a minor art of the many arts a samurai would learn 18 of them were considered martial and ju jitsu was the only unarmed fighting art
Most time would be spend on swordplay(source Bugei ju-happan)
Only when the peacetime came under the first shogun, so not the end of the feudaltimes started the further development of ju jitsu
what the end of the feudal system did was make the arts available for common people because unemployed samurai started teaching
as for the kenpo link for ju jitsu punches I'm still not shure about that, take the anti chinese feelings in the beginning of the 20th century, karate had to change it's name to karate before it would read:Karate kenpo meaning :chinese hand/fightingmethod Fistmethod(te/ti means both hand and fightingmethod
kenpo already indicated a chinese connection as was kara so the changed it to karatejitsu emty hand art nomore chinese no more kenpo
Okinawa was japans link to china
Oh with traditional I mean anything founded about 200 years ago anything less than 80 years will have been influenced by karate anyway as it will have been influenced by judo and aikido and even boxing
If a knifehand is called te gatana it's classical if shuto it's karate influenced (both are written the same though in japanese)
but this for the bigger part MHO