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Old 05-01-2003, 06:34 AM   #15 (permalink)
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If specialization is the height of skill, then why do specialists lose? Specialization only works when you have something that is completely alien to the other guy.
They dont if they have mastered an art which takes into account all ranges of combat.

By specialist - i mean someone that has studied an art like Hsing I Chuan. This art is not a grppling art - It is not a striking art. To specialise in striking OR grppling would be stupid - this is not what i ment.

What i did mean is that if you just hop from art to art picking up what YOU think is useful you will have a far less chance of victory over someone that I highly trainined in a complete system containing all ranges of combat.

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How many arts cover all the bases, and if one did, wouldn't you be learning 'groundfighting' or 'striking?'
You dont learn one or the other - you learn principles of force vectors, how to defeat this force with less force, how to apply force from all ranges and how to overcome the exerssion of force.

Look at the above - this includes - Grappling - standing and grounded - Throwing - takedowns - locking - striking with any body weapon etc etc .

Why would you need to croiss train if you understand force vectors involved in ANY fighting technique?

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What if your art is boxing, or Muay Thai, or wrestling, or Karate, or Wing Chun? These arts address only standup or groundfighting ranges, not both. Would mastering one of these not be considered specialization?
It would be specialisation from one point of view but not from the one i am talking about.

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William Cheung (Wing Chun) was a master of his art--a 'specialist' even--and he was taken to the ground by a student with a mere five years experience (Emin Boztepe). They proceeded to have a slapping match. Where was all his incredible skill that specialization should have granted him?
This is the flaw wing chun - It SPECIALISES in stand up fighting.

Again this is not what i mean by specialisation.

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Where do you think the creators of 'complete' arts drew thier principles and techniques from? They didn't pull them out of their asses? They drew on various arts and disciplines.
But did not understand them as deeply as the people training in those martial arts - as a result Every one of the techniques that they know may only be 50% as effecient.

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I can't even go on arguing this. It's silly.
If i were saying what you think im saying then yes it would be silly. But im not.

I didnt write that article - Just agreed with everything in it.

Good descussion topic anyways!!

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Chris
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