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NDIrish · 11-05-2000, 02:45 PM

Linden,

You stated
<< I would have to say that Conservative people are the most unintellectual, unprogressive lot I have ever come across.

Money and power are what the Conservative party re all about. >>

In the previous paragraph, you talk about ignorant statements...talk about ignorant! Conservatives are all about money and power? puhlease...I am a starving grad student, with neither money nor power. Its about a system of values. Our's may differ, but please don't pretend that I have the views I have, simply because I am a power hungry millionaire...

Now, as far as the death penalty issue goes. The fact that "Texas puts more people to death than any other state" MAY be true (you didn't provide the stats to prove it though), but you fail to recognize that Texas is a bigger state, population wise, than most others. Therefore, any rational and intelligent person such as yourself (uh-hubullshit...) would recognize that the absolute amount is not as important as is the number of executions per capita. Where does Texas rank in EXECUTIONS per capita per year, as compared to other states. My guess is that it would be pretty much in line with the other states that enforce the death penalty (it's a guess though).

This brings me to my next point. The death penalty is not a means of revenge, and should never be used as such. It should be a deterrent to crime. Will it deter the crazy fool that goes on a rampage and kills five? Maybe not. Will it deter the burglar from raping the little old lady, then killing her? Probably. That one life saved is worth it, in my opinion. With that being said, the biggest injustice that could possibly be done is to have a death penalty in a state that does not enforce it strictly, at all times. What good is it as a deterrent if it is not strictly enforced? Not a very good one. Therefore, on that basis, I would say that Texas has done a very good job in enforcing its death penalty.

You also talk about the low overturn rate in Texas. This would be a bad thing if, and only if, the people were innocent. I challenge you to provide ONE CASE of an execution in which the person could not be undeniably tied to the crime. Just one. Don't give me this "law of averages" crap, give me hard facts. If you wanted to use your law of averages argument, you would have to qualify it. What exactly is the law? What basis is it formed on? What types of distributions are you using? How large of a sample size is used? How large of a sample size is needed? If you can't proveide these, than your (law of averages) argument is seriously flawed....

[Edited by NDIrish on 11-05-2000 at 12:03 PM]

11-05-2000, 02:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
NDIrish Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 28	Linden, You stated << I would have to say that Conservative people are the most unintellectual, unprogressive lot I have ever come across. Money and power are what the Conservative party re all about. >> In the previous paragraph, you talk about ignorant statements...talk about ignorant! Conservatives are all about money and power? puhlease...I am a starving grad student, with neither money nor power. Its about a system of values. Our's may differ, but please don't pretend that I have the views I have, simply because I am a power hungry millionaire... Now, as far as the death penalty issue goes. The fact that "Texas puts more people to death than any other state" MAY be true (you didn't provide the stats to prove it though), but you fail to recognize that Texas is a bigger state, population wise, than most others. Therefore, any rational and intelligent person such as yourself (uh-hubullshit...) would recognize that the absolute amount is not as important as is the number of executions per capita. Where does Texas rank in EXECUTIONS per capita per year, as compared to other states. My guess is that it would be pretty much in line with the other states that enforce the death penalty (it's a guess though). This brings me to my next point. The death penalty is not a means of revenge, and should never be used as such. It should be a deterrent to crime. Will it deter the crazy fool that goes on a rampage and kills five? Maybe not. Will it deter the burglar from raping the little old lady, then killing her? Probably. That one life saved is worth it, in my opinion. With that being said, the biggest injustice that could possibly be done is to have a death penalty in a state that does not enforce it strictly, at all times. What good is it as a deterrent if it is not strictly enforced? Not a very good one. Therefore, on that basis, I would say that Texas has done a very good job in enforcing its death penalty. You also talk about the low overturn rate in Texas. This would be a bad thing if, and only if, the people were innocent. I challenge you to provide ONE CASE of an execution in which the person could not be undeniably tied to the crime. Just one. Don't give me this "law of averages" crap, give me hard facts. If you wanted to use your law of averages argument, you would have to qualify it. What exactly is the law? What basis is it formed on? What types of distributions are you using? How large of a sample size is used? How large of a sample size is needed? If you can't proveide these, than your (law of averages) argument is seriously flawed.... [Edited by NDIrish on 11-05-2000 at 12:03 PM]