RobertG

Last time I checked the Department of Homeland Security was not very keen on Muslims with knives. Given today's climate, unfortuantely promoting an Islamic martial art would seem to be a good way to wind up at Camp X-Ray.


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muslim martial arts, referring to the martial arts as practice by muslims, which uses a different philosophy than the same arts practiced by non-muslims. in the martial arts as practiced by a muslim, we treat the art as a true self defense tool, and we are not afraid to kill somebody or talk about killing somebody. [quote]

Ummm, yeah, we have sort of noticed that. See the above. Muslims talking about killing people=terrorism according to Ridge, Ashcroft, etc.

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muslims are also very disciplined people who are use to suffering[quote]

Really? The Dinka in Sudan would beg to differ. As would the Druze and other ethnic groups oppressed by Muslims. Muslims suffer just as much as any other people and oppress just as much as any other people.

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and have it in our everyday life. in training for martial arts combat, we are more serious about training hard, protecting family and consider the practice of fighting arts to be the RESPONSIBILITY of the muslim man, especialy one who has a wife and children. muslims think about there religion at least 5 times a day, unlike many who only think about there religion once a week. for the muslim man who took the martial arts as part of his life, the martial arts practice is a part of practicing the religion, since we have a responsibility to protect our family and community. the death of a family member because a man did not prepare for protection, the blame rests on him as well as the attacker.
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This is inane. Muslims do not train harder or more seriously than anyone else, nor do they have the a monopoly on piety, nor the desire to protect friend and family.

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"the best fighting arts teachers there are not muslims..again they are not muslims"

wrong again. theres very few muslim teachers teaching in the open, especially for business like i am, but this is a statement you cannot prove. if we are talking about business, then maybe your right. if we are talking about fighting ability, that is something you will have to prove if you want to say it. nobody in my city would say that. and if we are talking about who is well known, well than, you are right, unless it depends to who you are asking who is a best fighting arts teacher.
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This is also inane. Religion has very little to do with someone's ability to teach a martial art. Some atheists are great teachers, some Muslims are, some Jews are, some pagans are, some Christians are. Religion has NOTHING at all to do with teaching ability.

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as far as filipino muslims being "total muslims" i hate to even answer this question. what is a total muslim? like what is a total christian, because no catholic is a total christian according to your example. how many christians eat shellfish and pork, how many men confess his sins to another man or how many men can quote verses or discuss the bible.[quote]

Last time I checked Christians did not have to adhere to Kosher laws. Therefore they can eat all the shellfish and pork they want.

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i am a born muslim, but i can discuss the bible better than most christian people. does this mean they are not real christians? how many christian fast for the period of the prophets, or can even name 10 prophets! i believe this was a post by a person who does not like muslims, so i have no more to say about that.
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No one really gives a damn what religion you are. This is a martial arts forum. If you believe in Allah or Satan doesn't really matter one iota. If you want to discuss martial arts that evolved in Islamic countries, great, that would be fascinating. Your piety, however, is inconsequential to the discussion at hand.

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but if you learn martial arts from a muslim, who learned from a muslim, the chances are, you will get a very combative art, more combative than the commercialized seminar crap thats so popular, even taught by many FILIPINOS.[quote]

So you get undone because people have issues with Muslims and then you go throwing racist crap around about Filipinos. Ummm, yeah. Because you are Muslim does not mean you have a more effective art than anyone else. That is just absurd. The Filipino arts are battle tested and continue to be battle tested to this day. Muslims do not possess some magical techniques that others have never discovered. Human bodies are only capable of so many moves and every culture that fights hand-to-hand a lot is going to discover those moves. Allah did not pass down some secret moves just to Muslims. Where do you come up with this crap?? Lets put it this way...Muslims got overrun by the Mongols just like everyone else. There was not a large disparity between weapon technology in those days. Muslims had nothing at all in their martial arsenal that could deal with Mongols. Hey, neither did Christians. It would stand to reason that if Muslims had the most effective fighting arts then they would have been able to withstand the original onslaught of the Mongols. The Mongols had, among other attributes, better discipline than any other existing armies at that time (which also rather shoots down your assertion of superior Muslim disicpline), better strategy, and, of course, damn good horses and bow skills. This doesn't mean Mongols are the best fighters in the world either. Sorry, no ethnic/religious group has any monopoly on that claim. So don't start dragging religion and ethnicity into these discussions because they have no bearing on it.



Who cares?? Its not an original thought and the Greeks had similiar views a very long time before Jesus or Mohammed. It doesn't matter who said it or what religion they were.