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Originally posted by chris davis 200
Here we go again!!!!
TMA's - and you group TKD and Karate in that group?
TKD is classed as modern - Many Karate Styles are also Classed as modern. They were developed in the main in the 1900's
If you are talking about TMA's then actually talk about them - grouping TMA's into the group of Kata heavy arts is Just NOT CORRECT.
Many many TMA's with long lineages are taught with FULL contact sparring and contain a more effective weapon base than MT - as in grappling & striking.
MT itself is a traditional martial art in every sense of the word.
If you have a beef with certain arts becasue of their training practices then fine - say something about those arts and justify the points. Do not collectivley group modern arts that you dont like and TMA's together cause you think they are the same. They are not.
Kata is the essence of the spiritual development of Karate, (much like the pre fight dance of MT - no useful techniques there is there?) It is used to calm the mind and prepare the body and joints for action.
Kyokushinkai karate had a focus on sparring and conditioning that easily rivaled that of MT. Do your homework before making such bold statements.
What is that supposed to mean - excuse my ignorance - do you mean asian arts in general - or just the likes of karate and TKD - if you are talking about ones that dont teach self defence - then surely MT is in that group.
It teaches you to fight in a ring sport environment not really the street. If it did you wouldnt have boxing gloves, you would defend throws, grabs to the balls, hair pulling etc.
Do you work out? do you do conditioning on your muscles and bones?
I am sure you do.
Kata is not a pre arranged way to fight someone on the street - it is a method (and very effective one) of creating strong muscles, stable (but fluid) stances and stength in the joints so that they can take impacts etc. KATA ARE NOT FOR FIGHTING - THEY ARE FOR TRAINING.
just SOME holes in this massive generalisation that you have posted.
No offence meant - just - well - some corrections.
And for the record i practice neither Karate or TKD.
Cheers
Chris
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I put TKD and Karate in that group because they really do fit in that group,like I said when I say traditional I am just talking about arts that do useless katas,but we're not here to talk about whether katas are useless or not.
Pre fight of dance of MT,what dancing movements are you talking about? Every move in MT is useful.Ever been kicked by a MuayThai round house kick or been elbowed in temple or chin,or recieved a MT knee kick to head or chest?Probably not or you wouldn't speak crap like that.We also do stand up wrestling.
Whatever bud,you obviously know nothing about MuayThai,because self-defense is exactly what MuayThai teaches.You are right you are ignorant.
Ya you are right it does teach us to fight in a sport environment,but it also is good for the street.We learn to fight not do forms.We don't learn to grab to the balls or hair pulling because we are not their to go to that extent on anyone just like in any other style.However arts like MT are the closest you will get to a real fight.Training is never the actual fight but some arts are closer to it then others.
Yes I do work out and do conditioning.
Actually katas are pre-arranged movements (shows you know very little about katas) and the the hidden techniques in each kata are supposed to represent some self-defense as well as create strong muscles,strength in joints and take impact as you said.
However I never said that it was the way karate people fight.
In reality those hidden techniques in karate would never be any good on street,they may create some strong muscles,but what good is it if you have nothing to use those muscles for in karate besides the forms itself,strength in joints!!! hmm funny how karate made my knees messed up.
I don't need you to tell me what katas are I took Goju Ryu karate for 12yrs.
What kind of impact exactly? Snapping kicks and punches instead of going right through with them,I don't consider it really impact although a person can still sort of get hurt,try getting kicked by a MT fighter it will hurt more because we don't snap our kicks or punches we go straight through with them,that is what I call impact.
Why work on strengthing stances that are useless?
No doubt katas are good for balance,focus,and co-ordination though.
Looks like to me you need to do your homework.
If you practice neither karate or TKD why would I need your corrections when I have done karate,and why bother defending it?